De La Soul
Master Don Juan
Yep, I don't have much time to write a real reply, but that variation could definitely work, V. Nice.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
The Easiest Pattern Ever (15 words)
- Thread starter Viroid
- Start date
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Deagleclaw
Master Don Juan
Ummm...
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
You're asking "What would I have to do?" Bad... it shows you're not worth going out with without guaranteed payment, and it gives them time to think of a response as it's clear you're waiting for one.
Try changing it to something like...
"What wouldn't I do that wouldn't make YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME"
Imply that they already want to date you, head fake them with a double negative, then blindside them with a followup while they're trying to figure the first statement out.
Cheers,
Deagleclaw out
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
You're asking "What would I have to do?" Bad... it shows you're not worth going out with without guaranteed payment, and it gives them time to think of a response as it's clear you're waiting for one.
Try changing it to something like...
"What wouldn't I do that wouldn't make YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME"
Imply that they already want to date you, head fake them with a double negative, then blindside them with a followup while they're trying to figure the first statement out.
Cheers,
Deagleclaw out
Originally posted by Deagleclaw
Ummm...
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
But "want to go out with me" is TELLING the subconscious if you use the right tonality.
You're asking "What would I have to do?" Bad... it shows you're not worth going out with without guaranteed payment, and it gives them time to think of a response as it's clear you're waiting for one.
At the same time, its a great screening technique. If she likes you, shes not going to say something shallow. And if she does say something shallow you wouldnt want to go out with her anyway. Again, its worked great for me.
Try changing it to something like...
"What wouldn't I do that wouldn't make YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME"
Imply that they already want to date you, head fake them with a double negative, then blindside them with a followup while they're trying to figure the first statement out.
Cheers,
Deagleclaw out
I LIKE THIS! NICE! Quite the tongue twister, though. Have you tried it?
g f l a s h 4 0 0 1
Don Juan
When she responds with "What..?" How should you respond? Clarify or just say "Never mind?""What wouldn't I do that wouldn't make YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME"
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
thecraftylefty
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Guy, guys, guys, take it easy. This is the seduction part of the board, and seduction is a step up from the regular "DJ" principles. When you come here you're supposed to already having a good understanding and firm background with DJing, then you can move on to the more advanced levels, such as seduction, if you choose. Not flaming, just explaining.
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
Repeat it.Originally posted by g f l a s h 4 0 0 1
When she responds with "What..?" How should you respond? Clarify or just say "Never mind?"
Originally posted by photo 1
and how about if she says in response:
"oh, im sorry, im not really interested"
"I never asked you out."
"oh, sorry, but i have a boyfriend"
"Who said anything about a romantic relationship? I dont even know you."
it seems as if your asking her out, it automatically makes her realise your interested and the control is with her,
Thats your frame/reality. Not mine. And not the one you should be in. I might think shes sexy, but that dosent mean im interested in her or she is in control.
then if she doesnt like you or doesnt want to go out with you, she will come up with the ****ty excuses like above.
Have you tried it and gotten those responses? In my experiences with it, if they dont like me, they say something shallow. And sometimes they say something shallow when they are interested. Ive had girls come back and sincerely apologize.
C'mon guys, lets stop analyzing this so much. Ive gotten good results with it. So, get out there and DO IT! THEN you can analyze it all you want.
SexPDX
Master Don Juan
I am glad to see this kind of stuff being discussed. I must say that I am not really behind Viroid on this one and I will explain why.
Deagleclaw wrote:
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
To which Viroid responded:
ut "want to go out with me" is TELLING the subconscious if you use the right tonality.
The underlying idea at work with embedded commands is that the subconscious interprets all possible meanings of what is said. However, that which is communicated subconsciously doesn't necessarily take precedence over what is communicated consciously. The fact is that what you are saying consciously comes across as supplication. Sorry, but it does. I can think of very few deliveries that would make it not come across that way. Furthermore, I hardly consider this a "pattern" because it is just one embedded command in isolation, not encompased by any themes or language structures.
I still haven't gotten to the MAIN problem this causes. Where is the interaction being taken now? Where are you GOING with this? ANSWER: YOU are not going ANYWHERE because this gives HER the opportunity to screen YOU. If you are doing that, then any subconcious messages you slide in the back door are rendered completely ineffective because at a conscious level you are handing control of the relationship/interaction back to her. Handing the ball of decision/screening back to her is never a good idea, not even in jest.
Deagleclaw's suggestion of making it less weak by making it a statement instead of a question and "head faking" her with a double-negative making it difficult for her to respond is a BIG improvement.
Viroid, you say you have had success with this and I won't knock that. However, I am going to have to ask what kind of success we are talking about. Did you LAY these chicks with this tactic? If so, how many?
-PDX
Deagleclaw wrote:
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
To which Viroid responded:
ut "want to go out with me" is TELLING the subconscious if you use the right tonality.
The underlying idea at work with embedded commands is that the subconscious interprets all possible meanings of what is said. However, that which is communicated subconsciously doesn't necessarily take precedence over what is communicated consciously. The fact is that what you are saying consciously comes across as supplication. Sorry, but it does. I can think of very few deliveries that would make it not come across that way. Furthermore, I hardly consider this a "pattern" because it is just one embedded command in isolation, not encompased by any themes or language structures.
I still haven't gotten to the MAIN problem this causes. Where is the interaction being taken now? Where are you GOING with this? ANSWER: YOU are not going ANYWHERE because this gives HER the opportunity to screen YOU. If you are doing that, then any subconcious messages you slide in the back door are rendered completely ineffective because at a conscious level you are handing control of the relationship/interaction back to her. Handing the ball of decision/screening back to her is never a good idea, not even in jest.
Deagleclaw's suggestion of making it less weak by making it a statement instead of a question and "head faking" her with a double-negative making it difficult for her to respond is a BIG improvement.
Viroid, you say you have had success with this and I won't knock that. However, I am going to have to ask what kind of success we are talking about. Did you LAY these chicks with this tactic? If so, how many?
-PDX
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thecraftylefty
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It is a flaw because it's not an actual pattern. It's basically just a one-liner. It has an embedded command, but that's it. Nothing against Viroid of course. To me it seems that it could be better utilized as a ****y/"playful" remark.
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
Dopey the Barbarian
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I just used "What would I have to do to let me give you a Dirty Sanchez? and she said that stinks, so....
fragmentor
Senior Don Juan
*bump*
this is getting interesting!
sure it's not necessarily a pattern but it sounds good for breaking the interest barrier (if you can tell that she's definitely into you). then you could use the one step back, two forward technique to create anticipation and possibly remove any thought in her mind of you being desperate.
However i would like to hear if anyone has laid anyone using this interesting one-liner?
this is getting interesting!
sure it's not necessarily a pattern but it sounds good for breaking the interest barrier (if you can tell that she's definitely into you). then you could use the one step back, two forward technique to create anticipation and possibly remove any thought in her mind of you being desperate.
However i would like to hear if anyone has laid anyone using this interesting one-liner?
ItalianMafioso
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Actually, one could also argue that there's also some psychological mind-leading in the statement as well. This pattern also uses the power of suggestion. It says "You want to go out with me." As well as commanding the person to "Want to go out with me." This could be an extremely powerful pattern. It's almost a hypnotic suggestion at the end.Originally posted by Viroid
Tonality: "WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME" should be said as a statement, not a question. In other words, your tone of voice SHOULD NOT rise at the end of the sentence. Its an embedded command.
Until Next Time,
ItalianMafioso
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You also don't sound desperate. The wording in the begining is "what would I have to do" not "what do I have to do." This keeps the question itself completely hypothetical. This is definately a keeper.
Until Next Time,
ItalianMafioso
Until Next Time,
ItalianMafioso
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
The Squirrel
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Ok, I just found this, so forgive me for if I am bringing this up from the dead. This isnt the usual girl right here. Kinda gothic, but so am I... To a degree. I DJ'ed her about 3 times, and had small chat with her about 3 or 4 more times. I havent introduced myself yet (still figuring how, cuz its kinda ackward to be like 'hey, we've been talking, but I dont even know your name'. But do you think I should try this tactic? Since this is a slighty different girl, is there a slightly different approuch? Thanks.
ApocalypseCow
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"What would I have to do to make you WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME."
Very interesting. This is a popular salesman technique, too: "What would I have to do to make you want to buy this car?"
Very interesting. This is a popular salesman technique, too: "What would I have to do to make you want to buy this car?"