The dating market is just getting worse every year

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anime conventions are hookup spots? *breaks out the cosplay*

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

If any of you know me, you know I rarely complain about women or the state of the world and I don't concern myself with things outside of my control, like politics, social issues, gossip, whatever. But I can no longer ignore it or deny it any more, things are just getting worse every passing year. Its noticeably worse now than it was 3 years ago and 3 years ago it was noticeably worse than it was in 2020.

Hoeflation, entitlement, delusion, narcissism, feminism, and general man-hating from women are all continuing to ramp up and I don't see any signs of it stopping.

It seems to me like before long the US is going be in a similar place to South Korea with the 4B movement, with extremely radicalized political opposition between the two genders and a rapidly declining birthrate.

Do you think pendelum going to swing the other way? Or should we just sit back and enjoy the decline and ****show that is coming?

There is no dating market, that's the thing.

We can no longer commit or invest in a market that moved from portobello art gallery to a crowded street in mumbai where everyone is trying to get heavy cash for fake silver that discolours the same moment you wash it.

The only play in the current dating market is not any different than investing on speculative stocks, you get in when the moments seems good and you take profit asap while keeping tight stop losses active.

Buy in november and sell in may, was a privilege boomers and gen Xs had.

 

[craider]

Everyone in this stupid thread is failing to "adapt or die". 2 kids loses to the 8 your taxes pay for from some Somali. And don't complain or else you're losing your job and potentially going to jail.

Rugged individualism and sigma mindset doesn't do ****. At some point you actually need a collective culture to keep men and women under control and breeding. Otherwise other men will come enforce heir culture (and genetics) on your women.

Women unto themselves destroy society in order to select for competent men. Competent men keep them under control with social dominance, which in turn gets them soaking wet. Cry about it if you want, but that's why you're on this forum.

 

[Plinco]

Rugged individualism and sigma mindset doesn't do ****. At some point you actually need a collective culture to keep men and women under control and breeding. Otherwise other men will come enforce heir culture (and genetics) on your women.

That's your problem and why you want to argue with me. You want other people to come and take care of you because you have an undeveloped sense of self.

 

[Slowhandluke]

It can be argued "strong men create good times, good times create week men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men"

All the weak men died in WW2... after the war mostly strong men survived... who created the good times... then the 60 and 70's, Vietnam was lost (presumably by "weak" men)... the cycle continues...

idk, nothing is meant to last forever... for strong men to exist, there must be obstacles... but obstacles mean "bad times"... another example to be strong physically, one has to work hard . struggling... putting the hours ("bad times") in the gym and THEN the muscle appear..

Ying/Yang... bad/good.. etc...

 

[Divorced w 3]

Cheat code: roll up next to a woman at the bar whose on her phone and say, do you think we’ll end up swiping left on each other

 

[Divorced w 3]

I’m about to go out. I’m nice right now

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Rugged individualism and sigma mindset doesn't do ****. At some point you actually need a collective culture to keep men and women under control and breeding. Otherwise other men will come enforce heir culture (and genetics) on your women.

You hit the nail on the head with this statement.

This new attitude of self-importance, rugged individualism, etc seems rooted in solipsism and lack of empathy/theory of mind. It's like when people complain about being stuck traffic, as if they are outside the traffic, treating their actions as seperate event independent from the traffic. From the point of view of every individual involved in the traffic jam, the traffic is not caused by them, it's caused by the others.

I am an independent and highly introverted person who largely grew up with libertarian ideals, but as I get older I have grown to appreciate that we are part of a system. What we do in the privacy of our own homes DOES matter. Our individual actions and beliefs (however private and personal they may be), effect the rest of society whether we realize it or not.

I am so ****ing sick of the libertarian claim of "let people do what they want, who are you to judge?" this is **** brained thinking. Everyone is going around judging others while pretending they don't. Everyone is going around caring what others think of them, while insisting to everyone they don't care.

We are social animals. Of course we care what others think of us; it's in our nature. Judgment and shame is an extension of this; this how we control our culture and collective values, shared identity, history, narrative, and common good. We are a part of a system and it's our civic duty to inform our culture and shape it into something that benefits our society.

Btw, I am not talking about anything like socialism which I hate more than anything; I am talking purely of cultural values. Economically speaking, I am hard libertarian, I believe in free markets and despise taxation. I also want to emphatically state I am not implying the government should be shaping any of this by force, I am talking about how the PEOPLE should seek to influence this through rational discourse and the way we interact with the rest of world.

Our culture is the one thing that is in our hands; the government and media may try to influence it but it's ultimately on the people to determine our cultural values and beliefs, by informing and embodying them to the best of our ability.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

You hit the nail on the head with this statement.

This new attitude of self-importance, rugged individualism, etc seems rooted in solipsism and lack of empathy/theory of mind. It's like when people complain about being stuck traffic, as if they are outside the traffic, treating their actions as seperate event from. From everyones individual viewpoint, the traffic is not caused by them, it's caused by the others.

I am an independant and highly introverted person who largely grew up with libertarian ideals, but as I get older I have recognize that we are part of a system. What we do in the privacy of our own homes DOES matter. Our individual actions and beliefs (however private and personal they may be), effect the rest of society whether we realize it or not.

I am so ****ing sick of the libertarian claim of "let people do what they want, who are you to judge?" this is **** brained thinking. Everyone is going around judging others while exclaiming they don't. Everyone is going around caring what others think of them, while insisting to everyone they don't care.

We are social animals. Of course care what others think of you; it's human nature. Judgment and shame is an extension of this; this how we control our culture and collective values, shared identity, history, narrative, and common good. We are a part of a system and it's our civic duty to inform our culture and shape it into something that benefits our society.

Btw, I am not talking about anything like socialism which I despise probably more than anything; I am talking purely of cultural values. Economically speaking, I am hard libertarian and believe in free markets; I also want to emphaticall state I am not implying the government shaping be society/culture by force, I am talking about how the PEOPLE should seek to influence this through rational discourse and how we interact with the rest of world.

Our culture is the one thing we that is in our hands; the government and media may try to influence it but it's ultimately on the people to determine our cultural values and beliefs, by informing and embodying them to the best of our ability.

I had a similar course than you, I was totally a "live and let live" guy but then realize that certain people live in ways that have conseguences on other even though not directly as a guy listening loud music at night would.

Also certain things from which we benefit personally may harm society globally just like easy given sex from women.
Ofc we're happy to bang without commitment but such events lead to a degeneration of the social pact after few steps.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I had a similar course than you, I was totally a "live and let live" guy but then realize that certain people live in ways that have conseguences on other even though not directly as a guy listening loud music at night would.

Also certain things from which we benefit personally may harm society globally just like easy given sex from women.
Ofc we're happy to bang without commitment but such events lead to a degeneration of the social pact after few steps.

Great example of this is pedophiles. There are entire communities of them who get together online. People will say as long as they don't do anything to someone in person, it's okay and we shouldn't judge them. Just think about how normalized it's become for incels to goon all day to anime girls who look like they're 8 years old and publically express this with no shame. Hell just being an incel has become normalized in and of itself and men will openly share without much embarassment or fear of ridicule. You should be ashamed and you should not want to share that with anyone.

I'm pretty sure the entire reason the whole trans movement and LGBT nonsense grew so out of hand is precisely because we gave people too much freedom, so they started forming communities which then went on to gatekeep and control the mainstream narrative, despite being a significant minority of the general population.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Great example of this is pedophiles. There are entire communities of them who get together online. People will say as long as they don't do anything to someone in person, it's ok. That is absolutely retarded. Think about how normalized it's become for incels to coom all day to anime girls who look like they're 8 years old. How can any good come from this?

I'm pretty sure the entire reason the whole trans movement and LGBT nonsense grew so out of hand is precisely because we gave people too much freedom, so they started forming communities which then went on to gatekeep and control the mainstream narrative, despite being a significant minority of the general population.

Yeah thats a clear issue, when deviant people create cohalition and plan to use their numbers to gain political traction.

Gay lobbies capable of influencing parties in order to adopt kids is the first example that comes in my mind.

Look I have no issue with lgbt people having orgies among consenting adults in their homes but if they start lobbying against christian shops or demand kids, we have problems.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Look I have no issue with lgbt people having orgies among consenting adults in their homes but if they start lobbying against christian shops or demand kids, we have problems.

Yeah we can't actually stop people from doing what they want, nor should we, and I certainly don't think these sort of things should be illegal or whatever. But my god when these sorts of things start becoming normalized I don't see how anyone can think that's a good thing.

"Tolerance and apathy is the last virtue of a dying society".

 

[Plinco]

Guys, the world doesn't owe any of you just because you exist. The only thing a man owes another man is the state of being rational. That's it. All of this talk about trashing people because of what they are doing is retarded. Don't worry about what someone else does, worry about yourselves.

The dating market is messed up mostly due to demographics combined with the fact that men generally prefer to date women younger than them. Then there's also this egalitarian/nihilistic bs that comes from the universities and filters down through entertainment and politics. But you guys are trying to replace one form of collectivism with another. Feminism is collectivism. It's the collectivism that doesn't work. Don't believe me? Look at Muslim countries.

You want the solution? You teach people how to treat you. The reason why the folks on here complaining are complaining is because they allow people to treat them like that and also complaining out of neediness (justifying a sense of pride that isn't grounded in reality).

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Guys, the world doesn't owe any of you just because you exist. The only thing a man owes another man is the state of being rational. That's it. All of this talk about trashing people because of what they are doing is retarded. Don't worry about what someone else does, worry about yourselves.

The dating market is messed up mostly due to demographics combined with the fact that men generally prefer to date women younger than them. Then there's also this egalitarian/nihilistic bs that comes from the universities and filters down through entertainment and politics. But you guys are trying to replace one form of collectivism with another. Feminism is collectivism. It's the collectivism that doesn't work. Don't believe me? Look at Muslim countries.

You want the solution? You teach people how to treat you. The reason why the folks on here complaining are complaining is because they allow people to treat them like that and also complaining out of neediness (justifying a sense of pride that isn't grounded in reality).

There is a lot of projection and misunderstanding in this post.

First off, no, we are not basing any of on how people are treating us, nor is this based off feeling like "the system" isn't fair. In my case I am not even basing any of this off personal experience. I am basing this by objectively observating of how people think and what things we currently value in our society.

This is not rooted in any kind of egalitarianism or nihilism, nor is rooted in political/economical ideals about socialism/collectism. This is about civic duty and sense of community. Those are completely different things. This is not about our system, our government, our economy, legal system, etc.

It's literally about informing our culture and adhering to strong values. One example I can give is how men do not respect other men's wives. I used to be like that. I would say that it's not my problem if she wants to cheat. Well yes actually it is. I am not going to grant her the opportunity to participate in infidelity and disrespect another man like that. I am going to shame and criticize the woman for wanting to do that in the first place and inform the husband.

I think the simplest way to demonstrate what I'm talking about is the fact that people in the US are now referred to as "consumers" and not "citizens. Our sense of civic duty, our cultural identity, our shared history are completely gone, and they've been replaced with the ordained glory of invidualism that places our own happiness as the most important thing in the world.

 

[Plinco]

There is a lot of projection and misunderstanding in this post.

First off, no, we are not basing any of on how people are treating us, nor is this based off feeling like "the system" isn't fair. In my case I am not even basing any of this off personal experience. I am basing this by objectively observating of how people think and what things we currently value in our society.

So the first paragraph leads me to the concept of 'utilitarianism,' which is similar but not the same as 'egalitarianism.'

This is not rooted in any kind of egalitarianism or nihilism, nor is rooted in political/economical ideals about socialism/collectism. This is about civic duty and sense of community. Those are completely different things. This is not about our system, our government, our economy, legal system, etc.

I don't see how "civic duty and sense of community" doesn't imply collectivism.

It's literally about informing our culture and adhering to strong values. One example I can give is how men do not respect other men's wives. I used to be like that. I would say that it's not my problem if she wants to cheat. Well yes actually it is. I am not going to grant her the opportunity to participate in infidelity and disrespect another man like that. I am going to shame and criticize the woman for wanting to do that in the first place and inform the husband.

I think you're making the common mistake of conflating individualism with hedonism.

Metaphysically, I would say you're free to do anything but you're not free of the consequences. If you want to talk about 'strong values' then it's the virtue of using your rational faculty in order to fully conceptualize the consequences of your actions, that is desperately needed.

 

[craider]

That's your problem and why you want to argue with me. You want other people to come and take care of you because you have an undeveloped sense of self.

Calm down with the narcissism Plinco, I wasn't even thinking of you and this just reveals how naive you are about the world and your juvenile character.

Like, let me break it down for you: your whole "the only thing one man owes another is rational thought" is also a cultural expectation. I.e. collectivist thought. The problem being it doesn't work hence why you live in a society with laws and other cultural expectations. In this thread we (and even you!) recognize how they have taken a turn for the worse, and are discussing what to do.

Are you really so dense that you don't understand that? We all see you as some dude on a soapbox about some weird personal philosophy, but I'm worried that you're so full of it that you think we're simply uneducated and you need to bring us into the light. But if you did this exact thing in another culture and time, they'd just cut your head off. It's kind of ridiculous when you actually think about it.

Back on topic: we all see the same rot. That's why Trump has an audience despite his other flaws - the progressives are faceplanting hard with all of their deviancy and anti-American/anti-West sentiment. It's self destructive, they will lose even if they win due to economics. Things will swing back the other way once it gets annoying enough. Or when AI takes over labor: the only reason feminism etc. became so powerful is because big business needed more worker bees. Once the proletariat is completely disenfranchised sexuality and politics are anyone's guess.

 

[Ricky]

I agree that people and women especially are so focused on the attention they get online even if it’s low quality attention, especially on the dating apps.

however, I know while you’re pointing was helpful for good reasons and what you’re saying is true if you focus on it too much it seems like you just get more of what you focus on

i’m doing my best to focus on fitness communities and reading and music. by doing so I attract women that are in those same areas too, and those tend to be the type of woman that I like the most.

 

[craider]

i’m doing my best to focus on fitness communities and reading and music. by doing so I attract women that are in those same areas too, and those tend to be the type of woman that I like the most.

See an interesting aspect is that in effect you are ostracizing attention hos and rewarding fitness girlies. Because you got tired of the nonsense. The cultural pendulum swings one person at a time, as long as people are self interested. Pursuit of happiness and all that .

 

[Ricky]

Thats a good point. In fact alot of the fitness girls can be attention hoes too but alot of them i meet in gym and running groups dont seem to be as much into the attention. They tend to have not monetized

The ones that generally love group fitness seem to be my target

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Blah blah blah...what have you done to increase your value in the market?