The dating market is just getting worse every year

[MatureDJ]

If any of you know me, you know I rarely complain about women or the state of the world and I don't concern myself with things outside of my control, like politics, social issues, gossip, whatever. But I can no longer ignore it or deny it any more, things are just getting worse every passing year. Its noticeably worse now than it was 3 years ago and 3 years ago it was noticeably worse than it was in 2020.

Hoeflation, entitlement, delusion, narcissism, feminism, and general man-hating from women are all continuing to ramp up and I don't see any signs of it stopping.

It seems to me like before long the US is going be in a similar place to South Korea with the 4B movement, with extremely radicalized political opposition between the two genders and a rapidly declining birthrate.

Do you think pendelum going to swing the other way? Or should we just sit back and enjoy the decline and ****show that is coming?

I still have HopeCope that I can MoneyMax in a poorer white country.

 

[Solomon]

Like always. Adapt or die.

This, I notice the biggest issues modern men face even on sosuave is the lack of social life and hobbies, I even made a post last year how to join a social circle or create one from scratch I think 3rd spaces will make a comeback espeically with the rise of AI robots in the near future which brings me to this.....

I'll give you some quick examples of what I mean by erasure of 3rd places:

• Shopping malls are completely dead
• Entertainment/nightlife is dying (it was already dying before Covid, and post-Covid it's only gotten worse)
• Coffee shops went from social hangouts to office spaces
• Public spaces, parks, plazas, outdoor venues/markets, dense urban areas are being erased or commercialized/corporitized
• Increasing suburban sprawl and car-dependency (which decreases social cohesion in and of itself)
• Erasure of mixed-use urbanist zones in cities (everything now is either single family homes or purely commercial spaces)
• Community groups/events like sports clubs, trivia nights, bowling leagues, hobby shops, etc, are dying
• Rent/homeownership is decreasing, as is car ownership, leading to even more isolation

I don't blame social media on much of this. I've recently begun to view social media as a symptom, not a cause. The reason people are using it so much now is they don't have an alternative.

People made the same arguments towards social media that they used to make towards printing press/newspapers, television, radio, telephones, video games, etc. History does not repeat, it rhymes. While I do abhor social media and recognize it as a net negative for society, I think people are too quick to blame it on everything.

I totally agree with you but I think 3rd spaces will make a comeback some are coming back now, look at the popularity of running clubs that has exploded in the last couple years.

Running clubs have exploded so much now that they have turned into "Sex Clubs" or "Sex Cults" where fit people hook up with other fit people (cause ain't a lot of obese in these running clubs). This type of dynamic is true where you have a large diverse group of men and women who are horny i.e., dance clubs like salsa, animee conventions etc

I think once AI robots explode more in a pubcil capacity people who crave human connection will also explode with 3rd paces again. You're seeing a rise of people too limitng their social media use or boycotting it.I know so many people who don't use facebook (except for maybe facebook dating) or X or other social media apps because they are so toxic

 

[Prepostereax]

The "dating market" per se has always been messed up.
Which is to say, the cream continually gets skimmed off and what remains is the sludge.
OLD merely amplifies this effect, because it enlarges the pool, or cesspit, without improving the quality.

Maybe, OP, just Maybe, you might be growing out of it?

I'd come to realise, around age 30, that the "dating market" no longer interested me.
This is pre-OLD, the dating market back then being bars clubs parties and resorts.

It was more a progression than a revelation.
That is, way before then, I'd already figured out that the sorts of skanks found in biker bars and the most notorious meat markets weren't to my taste.

I had plenty enough opportunities through social circles, parties and travel.
But eventually I became aware that most of those encounters turn out to be wastes of time and effort.

Strangely enough, it was when I stopped looking / wanting, that I was getting, or maybe simply noticing, increased attention.
And I could vet for quality.

 

[obelisk]

anime conventions are hookup spots? *breaks out the cosplay*

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

If any of you know me, you know I rarely complain about women or the state of the world and I don't concern myself with things outside of my control, like politics, social issues, gossip, whatever. But I can no longer ignore it or deny it any more, things are just getting worse every passing year. Its noticeably worse now than it was 3 years ago and 3 years ago it was noticeably worse than it was in 2020.

Hoeflation, entitlement, delusion, narcissism, feminism, and general man-hating from women are all continuing to ramp up and I don't see any signs of it stopping.

It seems to me like before long the US is going be in a similar place to South Korea with the 4B movement, with extremely radicalized political opposition between the two genders and a rapidly declining birthrate.

Do you think pendelum going to swing the other way? Or should we just sit back and enjoy the decline and ****show that is coming?

There is no dating market, that's the thing.

We can no longer commit or invest in a market that moved from portobello art gallery to a crowded street in mumbai where everyone is trying to get heavy cash for fake silver that discolours the same moment you wash it.

The only play in the current dating market is not any different than investing on speculative stocks, you get in when the moments seems good and you take profit asap while keeping tight stop losses active.

Buy in november and sell in may, was a privilege boomers and gen Xs had.

 

[OngBak]

too many beta females around

 

[craider]

Everyone in this stupid thread is failing to "adapt or die". 2 kids loses to the 8 your taxes pay for from some Somali. And don't complain or else you're losing your job and potentially going to jail.

Rugged individualism and sigma mindset doesn't do ****. At some point you actually need a collective culture to keep men and women under control and breeding. Otherwise other men will come enforce heir culture (and genetics) on your women.

Women unto themselves destroy society in order to select for competent men. Competent men keep them under control with social dominance, which in turn gets them soaking wet. Cry about it if you want, but that's why you're on this forum.

 

[Plinco]

Rugged individualism and sigma mindset doesn't do ****. At some point you actually need a collective culture to keep men and women under control and breeding. Otherwise other men will come enforce heir culture (and genetics) on your women.

That's your problem and why you want to argue with me. You want other people to come and take care of you because you have an undeveloped sense of self.

 

[Slowhandluke]

It can be argued "strong men create good times, good times create week men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men"

All the weak men died in WW2... after the war mostly strong men survived... who created the good times... then the 60 and 70's, Vietnam was lost (presumably by "weak" men)... the cycle continues...

idk, nothing is meant to last forever... for strong men to exist, there must be obstacles... but obstacles mean "bad times"... another example to be strong physically, one has to work hard . struggling... putting the hours ("bad times") in the gym and THEN the muscle appear..

Ying/Yang... bad/good.. etc...

 

[Divorced w 3]

Cheat code: roll up next to a woman at the bar whose on her phone and say, do you think we’ll end up swiping left on each other

 

[Divorced w 3]

I’m about to go out. I’m nice right now

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Rugged individualism and sigma mindset doesn't do ****. At some point you actually need a collective culture to keep men and women under control and breeding. Otherwise other men will come enforce heir culture (and genetics) on your women.

You hit the nail on the head with this statement.

This new attitude of self-importance, rugged individualism, etc seems rooted in solipsism and lack of empathy/theory of mind. It's like when people complain about being stuck traffic, as if they are outside the traffic, treating their actions as seperate event independent from the traffic. From the point of view of every individual involved in the traffic jam, the traffic is not caused by them, it's caused by the others.

I am an independent and highly introverted person who largely grew up with libertarian ideals, but as I get older I have grown to appreciate that we are part of a system. What we do in the privacy of our own homes DOES matter. Our individual actions and beliefs (however private and personal they may be), effect the rest of society whether we realize it or not.

I am so ****ing sick of the libertarian claim of "let people do what they want, who are you to judge?" this is **** brained thinking. Everyone is going around judging others while pretending they don't. Everyone is going around caring what others think of them, while insisting to everyone they don't care.

We are social animals. Of course we care what others think of us; it's in our nature. Judgment and shame is an extension of this; this how we control our culture and collective values, shared identity, history, narrative, and common good. We are a part of a system and it's our civic duty to inform our culture and shape it into something that benefits our society.

Btw, I am not talking about anything like socialism which I hate more than anything; I am talking purely of cultural values. Economically speaking, I am hard libertarian, I believe in free markets and despise taxation. I also want to emphatically state I am not implying the government should be shaping any of this by force, I am talking about how the PEOPLE should seek to influence this through rational discourse and the way we interact with the rest of world.

Our culture is the one thing that is in our hands; the government and media may try to influence it but it's ultimately on the people to determine our cultural values and beliefs, by informing and embodying them to the best of our ability.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

You hit the nail on the head with this statement.

This new attitude of self-importance, rugged individualism, etc seems rooted in solipsism and lack of empathy/theory of mind. It's like when people complain about being stuck traffic, as if they are outside the traffic, treating their actions as seperate event from. From everyones individual viewpoint, the traffic is not caused by them, it's caused by the others.

I am an independant and highly introverted person who largely grew up with libertarian ideals, but as I get older I have recognize that we are part of a system. What we do in the privacy of our own homes DOES matter. Our individual actions and beliefs (however private and personal they may be), effect the rest of society whether we realize it or not.

I am so ****ing sick of the libertarian claim of "let people do what they want, who are you to judge?" this is **** brained thinking. Everyone is going around judging others while exclaiming they don't. Everyone is going around caring what others think of them, while insisting to everyone they don't care.

We are social animals. Of course care what others think of you; it's human nature. Judgment and shame is an extension of this; this how we control our culture and collective values, shared identity, history, narrative, and common good. We are a part of a system and it's our civic duty to inform our culture and shape it into something that benefits our society.

Btw, I am not talking about anything like socialism which I despise probably more than anything; I am talking purely of cultural values. Economically speaking, I am hard libertarian and believe in free markets; I also want to emphaticall state I am not implying the government shaping be society/culture by force, I am talking about how the PEOPLE should seek to influence this through rational discourse and how we interact with the rest of world.

Our culture is the one thing we that is in our hands; the government and media may try to influence it but it's ultimately on the people to determine our cultural values and beliefs, by informing and embodying them to the best of our ability.

I had a similar course than you, I was totally a "live and let live" guy but then realize that certain people live in ways that have conseguences on other even though not directly as a guy listening loud music at night would.

Also certain things from which we benefit personally may harm society globally just like easy given sex from women.
Ofc we're happy to bang without commitment but such events lead to a degeneration of the social pact after few steps.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I had a similar course than you, I was totally a "live and let live" guy but then realize that certain people live in ways that have conseguences on other even though not directly as a guy listening loud music at night would.

Also certain things from which we benefit personally may harm society globally just like easy given sex from women.
Ofc we're happy to bang without commitment but such events lead to a degeneration of the social pact after few steps.

Great example of this is pedophiles. There are entire communities of them who get together online. People will say as long as they don't do anything to someone in person, it's okay and we shouldn't judge them. Just think about how normalized it's become for incels to goon all day to anime girls who look like they're 8 years old and publically express this with no shame. Hell just being an incel has become normalized in and of itself and men will openly share without much embarassment or fear of ridicule. You should be ashamed and you should not want to share that with anyone.

I'm pretty sure the entire reason the whole trans movement and LGBT nonsense grew so out of hand is precisely because we gave people too much freedom, so they started forming communities which then went on to gatekeep and control the mainstream narrative, despite being a significant minority of the general population.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Great example of this is pedophiles. There are entire communities of them who get together online. People will say as long as they don't do anything to someone in person, it's ok. That is absolutely retarded. Think about how normalized it's become for incels to coom all day to anime girls who look like they're 8 years old. How can any good come from this?

I'm pretty sure the entire reason the whole trans movement and LGBT nonsense grew so out of hand is precisely because we gave people too much freedom, so they started forming communities which then went on to gatekeep and control the mainstream narrative, despite being a significant minority of the general population.

Yeah thats a clear issue, when deviant people create cohalition and plan to use their numbers to gain political traction.

Gay lobbies capable of influencing parties in order to adopt kids is the first example that comes in my mind.

Look I have no issue with lgbt people having orgies among consenting adults in their homes but if they start lobbying against christian shops or demand kids, we have problems.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Look I have no issue with lgbt people having orgies among consenting adults in their homes but if they start lobbying against christian shops or demand kids, we have problems.

Yeah we can't actually stop people from doing what they want, nor should we, and I certainly don't think these sort of things should be illegal or whatever. But my god when these sorts of things start becoming normalized I don't see how anyone can think that's a good thing.

"Tolerance and apathy is the last virtue of a dying society".

 

[Plinco]

Guys, the world doesn't owe any of you just because you exist. The only thing a man owes another man is the state of being rational. That's it. All of this talk about trashing people because of what they are doing is retarded. Don't worry about what someone else does, worry about yourselves.

The dating market is messed up mostly due to demographics combined with the fact that men generally prefer to date women younger than them. Then there's also this egalitarian/nihilistic bs that comes from the universities and filters down through entertainment and politics. But you guys are trying to replace one form of collectivism with another. Feminism is collectivism. It's the collectivism that doesn't work. Don't believe me? Look at Muslim countries.

You want the solution? You teach people how to treat you. The reason why the folks on here complaining are complaining is because they allow people to treat them like that and also complaining out of neediness (justifying a sense of pride that isn't grounded in reality).