The attention provided by simping has brought down birth rates…

[HaleyBaron]

There's a lot of cowards in politics and government, I agree. Compared to someone like Andrew Jackson and other hardasses of the past, they're all a bunch of p*ssies.

 

[tksniper]

Back in the days females had to leave the house just to get attention. Even during the MySpace days, females had to talk to guys online to get attention. But I think instagram was the beginning of global attention wh0ring without having to leave the house. That was the beginning of the end when it came to women playing the game of “giving and take” rather than just taking.

People forget that women were the original “seducers.” They still seduce men. But our society has set it up where the average hot chick thinks she can seduce millionaires and CEO’s.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Gloria Steinem passed away last week. Give it a few, the nuclear family is already making a come back.

 

[quodlibet]

All this simping discussion is really odd.

If A simps on B, that's their business. If A wants to be some pathetic simp, then let him.

The only reason you think it's your business is, you're also simping on her and you assume if she didn't have other simps, she'd date you. So it's your business because others simps are your competitors.

If you wanna be honest, that's the real reason simping bothers you.

The truth is, whether or not she has simps will not affect whether she'll date you. If she thinks you're unattractive, it doesn't matter if she has 0 simps or 200 simps. She's just not dating you, bro.

Like I've said all over this forum, the ratio of men to women in the world is 1 to 1. Not all women can have 500 guys exclusively chasing her. That's mathematically impossible. As long as monogamy exists in the world, there's literally someone for everyone.

Most women who have lots of followers don't care about her followers. She gets validation, that's it. She's not dating any of them anyway because she knows guys worth having aren't simping anyone.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I straight up simped like three weeks ago. My friend went to school with a girl & in a group chat with her, and we ran into her at a concert. They don’t know each other but they follow each other and this girl was posing for a pic. She was a high 8 maybe a 9. Blonde and went to a high profile SEC school. Maybe 22 years old no older. So when I thought her boyfriend left I asked her if she was an influencer. She was like no but my boyfriend is probably recording this laughing. It was such a weird response and situation. But I wanted to take a swing at it and look dumb in front of my friends.

 

[MatureDJ]

As a guy who just had a kid, this is completely wrong. Do you have any fvcking children, OP? Unless you need your kids working your subsistence farm, children are a net negative for economics and productivity. They're expensive and drain away all of your time and energy. Birth rates are down because having a child in a modern economy is basically volunteering to cut off your hands.

It is true that children are a big cost. It's only after I have succeeded in accumulating & building generational wealth do I feel like I could afford children (this cost includes the contingency that my mating partner could demand separate housing, which is something the father would need to provide since his child would be there).

 

[Slowhandluke]

when did your average man have the power?

Now.. in the middle east Now.. in the Amish communities... Now in the Arab communities in France, etc.. now in the majority of hispanic communities in the USA...

But if you want to look in the past, Pre 1960 USA....

 

[BaronOfHair]

Now.. in the middle east

Nothing "average" about Bin Salman or the sheiks that hold The UAE in an iron grip

 

[Slowhandluke]

Nothing "average" about Bin Salman or the sheiks that hold The UAE in an iron grip

What about egypt? Like it or not. Average men there seem to be able to control their women (to the point of mistreating them imho)

 

[BaronOfHair]

What about egypt?

If you're part of/connected to the military junta that wields absolute power over the lives of the citizenry at large... Yeah, life in The Land Of Pharoahs is probably on easy mode. Fair inference though:

MOST Egyptian men don't fall into this category, and likely never will. Mos societies outside of The Post-Industrial West remain segmented between aristocracy/something like it and commoners, with little to no social mobility

 

[Greggy]

i believe that the amount of attention women receive online is probably not the only issue. social media and dating apps may alter how people meet and what they anticipate, but factors like housing costs, postponed marriage, employment, and shifting family values most likely have a far greater impact on birth rates.

 

[Slowhandluke]

If you're part of/connected to the military junta that wields absolute power over the lives of the citizenry at large... Yeah, life in The Land Of Pharoahs is probably on easy mode. Fair inference though:

MOST Egyptian men don't fall into this category, and likely never will. Mos societies outside of The Post-Industrial West remain segmented between aristocracy/something like it and commoners, with little to no social mobility

Will an Egyptian daughter yell at her dad disrespecting him? The common father?

Efforts on Family Law Reform and Islamic Feminism in Egypt – Havle

havlekadin.org

https://youtube.com/shorts/T5pX239ZQa0?si=17fm03JHFl_Ml0S4

lets agree to disagree.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Will an Egyptian daughter yell at her dad disrespecting him?

The topic we were discussing was: "When did "average men" have the power?" Fellas in the trailer parks and slums of North America b-tch slap their offspring and women for uttering words they find insufficiently reverent all of the time, frequently without the courts subsequently getting in the middle of things

We're seriously desperate, if THAT's were our bar "for having the power" begins

 

[HaleyBaron]

The topic we were discussing was: "When did "average men" have the power?" Fellas in the trailer parks and slums of North America b-tch slap their offspring and women for uttering words they find insufficiently reverent all of the time, frequently without the courts subsequently getting in the middle of things

We're seriously desperate, if THAT's were our bar "for having the power" begins

They slap their women cause their women are disrespectful and just as rude. And lack femininity. Men don't just suddenly become abusers out of nowhere. Women tend to be the ones to encourage it.

 

[BaronOfHair]

They slap their women cause their women are disrespectful and just as rude. And lack femininity. Men don't just suddenly become abusers out of nowhere. Women tend to be the ones to encourage it.

Back to the point("When did average men ever have the power?"):

If we now define "having the power" as being able to smack your woman without being arrested and prosecuted, even when you're dirt poor and have zero influence in society... Well, our thinking is more shallow than Logan Paul's grasp of theoretical physics

 

[HaleyBaron]

Back to the point("When did average men ever have the power?"):

If we now define "having the power" as being able to smack your woman without being arrested and prosecuted, even when you're dirt poor and have zero influence in society... Well, our thinking is more shallow than Logan Paul's grasp of theoretical physics

Men disciplining their women and children is the backbone of a sane society. And you're acting like men were literally beating them to a bloody pulp. You've been brainwashed by feminist media, like many people today. Men would even exile women for cheating or being manipulative to keep the tribe/ community intact. With all that is talked about on this forum, women acting a fool should be common knowledge here.

 

[Solomon]

All this simping discussion is really odd.

If A simps on B, that's their business. If A wants to be some pathetic simp, then let him.

The only reason you think it's your business is, you're also simping on her and you assume if she didn't have other simps, she'd date you. So it's your business because others simps are your competitors.

If you wanna be honest, that's the real reason simping bothers you.

The truth is, whether or not she has simps will not affect whether she'll date you. If she thinks you're unattractive, it doesn't matter if she has 0 simps or 200 simps. She's just not dating you, bro.

Like I've said all over this forum, the ratio of men to women in the world is 1 to 1. Not all women can have 500 guys exclusively chasing her. That's mathematically impossible. As long as monogamy exists in the world, there's literally someone for everyone.

Most women who have lots of followers don't care about her followers. She gets validation, that's it. She's not dating any of them anyway because she knows guys worth having aren't simping anyone.

If a guy wants to be a pathetic simp that is his choice and no one else’s business. Plenty of people who complain about it are just competing for the same woman and assume that clearing out the other simps would magically put them next in line. If a woman finds you unattractive it does not matter whether she has zero simps or two hundred. The gender ratio is roughly one to one, monogamy still exists, and not every woman can have hundreds of exclusive suitors. Most women with large followings are not dating those guys. They are collecting validation and shekels.

That said, simping has become so widespread that it no longer stays in its own lane. It reshapes the entire dating market and raises the baseline expectations for everyone, including men who never send a dollar or a free meal.

I met a twenty-four-year-old last week. After our hookup she texted asked me for money for an Uber to her Doctors (which I didn't send, and blocked her). Fifteen years ago that almost never happened. Look at dating profiles now and you routinely see women openly stating they want a “generous man” or someone willing to spoil them. That language was rare a decade and a half ago. The constant stream of free attention, gifts, and cash from simps has inflated many women’s sense of what they can demand and what they are worth on the market.

Most women still claim to loathe simps, yet plenty still use them. Social media followers and OnlyFans creators are the clearest examples. I saw a viral post from an OnlyFans woman complaining about men being creepy. Her very next post showed her in public in an outfit that left nothing to the imagination(Pancake booty out at the bar in a flimsy dress). A simp immediately CashApped her $150 “for her troubles.” That pattern is common. The same women who mock simps continue to harvest the money and attention those simps provide.

So yes, individual simping is someone else’s problem. When it reaches this scale it stops being private and starts warping the expectations every man has to navigate. That is why simps are bad.

 

[Slowhandluke]

The topic we were discussing was: "When did "average men" have the power?" Fellas in the trailer parks and slums of North America b-tch slap their offspring and women for uttering words they find insufficiently reverent all of the time, frequently without the courts subsequently getting in the middle of things

We're seriously desperate, if THAT's were our bar "for having the power" begins

 

[MatureDJ]

It's OVER for DemographicsCels.

 

[Manure Spherian]

My hypothesis which will be difficult to prove is that women desire attention more than sex and as a consequence the over saturated market of simps is providing that attention for women without the corresponding increase in sexual frequency that would have occurred in the days before online simping was available to provide said attention.

Now follow me on this concept. Generally women now are inundated with attention online and this has caused a dysfunctional dating scene that results in less committed relationships which directly impacts pregnancy relates

of course this is a multifactorial issue but simps are partially to blame and honestly in my opinion they are creating a bit of a traffic jam in the social landscape in general

thoughts?

Who on here cares about birthrates, lol?