"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The #1 Way 2 Tell IL

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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RedKnight04

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I think my 2 year old cousin could of told me that...

:eek: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 

KnightRyder

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Originally posted by AFCinBC
@sk the ***** out.
Whatever happened to EC, body language, tonality ...etc

hehe

how do you justify this ?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Don Juanabbe

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Alot of women have given me eye contact, kino.....initiated conversation.....etc, etc.

Then I ask them for their number and they balk....
 

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Originally posted by Don Juanabbe
Alot of women have given me eye contact, kino.....initiated conversation.....etc, etc.

Then I ask them for their number and they balk....
SO Don Juanabbe, so are saying this Thread is right on the money ???
 

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Originally posted by Don Juanabbe
Alot of women have given me eye contact, kino.....initiated conversation.....etc, etc.

Then I ask them for their number and they balk....
Attracted but lack rapport.
 

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Originally posted by AFCinBC
@sk the ***** out.
Hell no, she must have rapport before you ask her out otherwise she will MOST likely bail if she says yes.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Blah blah blah blah....
whats with you guys shut the **** up about the "symantics of seduction" who the **** cares if you ask 1000 girls out with NO repore at least SOME of them will say yes better than wasting
wait I want this one to sink in...
WASTING your ****ING time THINKING... about what the meaning behind her touching her lip when you walked past her... omg eather grow some balls and ask or cut them off and save us the trouble.
And...
maybe instead of wasting ur time thinking about girls... you might want to.. I duno think about.. your financial stability... your carrier ... how your gona make your first million ... think about it ... have you seen bill gates wife?
 

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I'll make it simple for you so you will understand.

Women as well as men don't give out their numbers to total strangers who ask for their number. Would you give out your number to a total stranger? I know I wouldn't. It has nothing to do with seduction it's common sense. It's about trust.

I'll rather approach 10 girls and have a fun convo and see if it leads to something. Then I might ask her out or take her on a instadate. You seem so horny to ask her out which will only get you shot down. Relax, take a step back. Don't be so needy.
 

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Originally posted by Lifeforce
I'll make it simple for you so you will understand.

Women as well as men don't give out their numbers to total strangers who ask for their number. Would you give out your number to a total stranger? I know I wouldn't. It has nothing to do with seduction it's common sense. It's about trust.

I'll rather approach 10 girls and have a fun convo and see if it leads to something. Then I might ask her out or take her on a instadate. You seem so horny to ask her out which will only get you shot down. Relax, take a step back. Don't be so needy.
If a stranger would never give out their number to another stranger... how do you get dates? your relatives? I bet they trust you.
this is what I was talking about... your analyzing what I say down to the littlest detail so you can prove me wrong and somehow be eccumentically superior in the eyes of the "Forum"
why dont you let good advice stand.

If you cant judge IL
ask her out
its that simple.... are you to afraid of rejection to ask a girl out cause she might say no? um. ?
 

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I think Lifeforce is on the mark.

By "wasting time" thinking and judging interest signals, you save your dignity and the time and effort of approaching 1000 women, most of who are sure to shoot you down.

I agree that some people go into too much detail judging signs, but just holding back for returned eye contact or some open gestures will save you a lot of bother.
 

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If a stranger would never give out their number to another stranger... how do you get dates?
You get to know people before asking them out. Not only does this make it easier to get the date, but you get to see if she's worth dating.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Originally posted by AFCinBC
If a stranger would never give out their number to another stranger... how do you get dates? your relatives? I bet they trust you.
this is what I was talking about... your analyzing what I say down to the littlest detail so you can prove me wrong and somehow be eccumentically superior in the eyes of the "Forum"
why dont you let good advice stand.

If you cant judge IL
ask her out
its that simple.... are you to afraid of rejection to ask a girl out cause she might say no? um. ?
I understand how you think. If you go for it, maybe she will say yes! And you have a date! It's a good place to start just to get your number of approaches and dates up.

Now I have been in that "Phase" of DJing and I have had my fair hundreds of rejections. It's not that I am afraid I don't agree with you, it is because I have other goals of interaction with women than you.

For example. The girl who you do not know if she shows interest or not. You might ask her out because you might GET a date with her. I wouldn't. Because I do not want people who do not show me interest in my life. Getting a date is not a sign of being successful, my idea of successful is to be surrounded by people who show interest in me.

Looking from this perspective I gain nothing from having a date with someone who play games or show me moderate interest and make my wallet thinner. No I gain more of not asking her because it means I am one step closer to meeting a great girl who DO show interest signals.

You want people to ask every women who you are attracted to for a date. I want to ask for a date on every women who are attracted to me and show me interest.
 

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I never contradicted you, I'm not arguing your point... I'm arguing your methods... and I NEVER brought up timing.... if you dont know when to ask... I cant help you and I make no promises about that in any way although I do hate the fact I have the time to reply to this... I should be out trying to get a party started



What you think, so shall you become.
 

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It is the only way to find out true interest level... you can get too caught up convinced this means this and that means that when she's actually ****in your best friend and is just being friendly with you!

But if your sat at home thinkin bout that girl who you're sure likes you, because she did X and Y today, so you're in, then this is the only way rather than lying to yourself...

That said, as far as success is concerned, rapport is very important, the only way to manoeuvre round it is if you look that thoro
 

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No, it's true. Regardless of ec, kino, flirtation level, # of times she calls u, etc, if she continues to go out with you she's interested.
 

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BEFORE all the psycho-analysing, all the sign reading, before all her hard to get games and tests start, before all your own self-doubt enters, before all your fears and insecurities start holding you back, something inherent in everyone of us, tells you, she's interested or not interested. Call it gut instinct, intuition... whatever you want, if you're paying attention it's there and it's NEVER wrong.

Repeated eye contact, playing with her hair, phoning you, flirting with... are all MAJOR interest signals, great if they're so obvious others around you can see them (and if they are what are you questioning it for?) but they aren't necessary, in their less obvious form, they are mearly 'triggers' for your gut instinct, intuition...

One Rule: If you THINK she is interested, then SHE IS INTERESTED!!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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