"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The #1 Way 2 Tell IL
- Thread starter AFCinBC
- Start date
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZevolvingnerd
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where's eternal?
KnightRyder
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Whatever happened to EC, body language, tonality ...etc
hehe
how do you justify this ?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Don Juanabbe
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Then I ask them for their number and they balk....
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SO Don Juanabbe, so are saying this Thread is right on the money ???
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
whats with you guys shut the **** up about the "symantics of seduction" who the **** cares if you ask 1000 girls out with NO repore at least SOME of them will say yes better than wasting
wait I want this one to sink in...
WASTING your ****ING time THINKING... about what the meaning behind her touching her lip when you walked past her... omg eather grow some balls and ask or cut them off and save us the trouble.
And...
maybe instead of wasting ur time thinking about girls... you might want to.. I duno think about.. your financial stability... your carrier ... how your gona make your first million ... think about it ... have you seen bill gates wife?
Women as well as men don't give out their numbers to total strangers who ask for their number. Would you give out your number to a total stranger? I know I wouldn't. It has nothing to do with seduction it's common sense. It's about trust.
I'll rather approach 10 girls and have a fun convo and see if it leads to something. Then I might ask her out or take her on a instadate. You seem so horny to ask her out which will only get you shot down. Relax, take a step back. Don't be so needy.
If a stranger would never give out their number to another stranger... how do you get dates? your relatives? I bet they trust you.
this is what I was talking about... your analyzing what I say down to the littlest detail so you can prove me wrong and somehow be eccumentically superior in the eyes of the "Forum"
why dont you let good advice stand.
If you cant judge IL
ask her out
its that simple.... are you to afraid of rejection to ask a girl out cause she might say no? um. ?
By "wasting time" thinking and judging interest signals, you save your dignity and the time and effort of approaching 1000 women, most of who are sure to shoot you down.
I agree that some people go into too much detail judging signs, but just holding back for returned eye contact or some open gestures will save you a lot of bother.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I understand how you think. If you go for it, maybe she will say yes! And you have a date! It's a good place to start just to get your number of approaches and dates up.
Now I have been in that "Phase" of DJing and I have had my fair hundreds of rejections. It's not that I am afraid I don't agree with you, it is because I have other goals of interaction with women than you.
For example. The girl who you do not know if she shows interest or not. You might ask her out because you might GET a date with her. I wouldn't. Because I do not want people who do not show me interest in my life. Getting a date is not a sign of being successful, my idea of successful is to be surrounded by people who show interest in me.
Looking from this perspective I gain nothing from having a date with someone who play games or show me moderate interest and make my wallet thinner. No I gain more of not asking her because it means I am one step closer to meeting a great girl who DO show interest signals.
You want people to ask every women who you are attracted to for a date. I want to ask for a date on every women who are attracted to me and show me interest.
What you think, so shall you become.
Chemistry
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But if your sat at home thinkin bout that girl who you're sure likes you, because she did X and Y today, so you're in, then this is the only way rather than lying to yourself...
That said, as far as success is concerned, rapport is very important, the only way to manoeuvre round it is if you look that thoro
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Repeated eye contact, playing with her hair, phoning you, flirting with... are all MAJOR interest signals, great if they're so obvious others around you can see them (and if they are what are you questioning it for?) but they aren't necessary, in their less obvious form, they are mearly 'triggers' for your gut instinct, intuition...
One Rule: If you THINK she is interested, then SHE IS INTERESTED!!
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.