“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Hello Ballie,
How're ya stokin Springbok?Look the saddest thing is the silly buggers just don't know what they are missing,what they are wasting...I was over your way 20 years ago...Gods country if it wasn't for the whoseamacallits,Seemed to me you would only meet a Sheilah in Church whats it like now?I have a Shack on the South Coast...Come and stay some time do some surfing watch some real Football....
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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synergy1 said:
you bring up an important point about social circles of most girls aged between 20 and 25. The social circle is an easy form of trust that allows women to become easily involved with someone. Depending where you live, it is more or less difficult to break into these social circles if you are 10 years older as common interests probably don't exist. Lets face it, an average 35 year old guy won't have too much in common with kids 10 years his junior. Why would a group of guys who are trying to get with a number of hot girls in their social group invite along a 30+ year old dude? Again, unless they all have common interests, work together, or something, that 30 year old guy is most likely going to be excluded from that social circle.

Its not to say that there are exceptional 30+ year old guys consistently banging girls in their 20s. I know there is, I see these dudes out in Boston all the time and have nothing but mad respect for them.
Yes, this is exactly what I was saying. I was pointing out that it's not too common to see a 30-something or older guy at the college hang out spot successfully doing cold approaches. Str8up is one of the exceptions and I'm totally with him on prefering the younger girls. But I think he has down one of the few workable systems, i.e, he has a social circle with younger people in it, he has some status, he relates to younger girls, etc. Like I said before, I think there some regional differences that copme into play. In my travels I found some place where younger girls were more receptive to older guys than in others.
 

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Rollo, when you are in your 70's and on Viagra what will you do ;)

I need medicine to get this thing to go down, not up,...heheh,..

I was at the gym this morning and on one of the TVs they had MTV on. The show was "Date My Mother". If you haven't seen it, the gist is basically a guy dates 3 mothers of 3 daughters and at the end all the Moms line up and the guy holds out until he has to choose a Mom who's daughter he really - "legitimately" - wants to date without having seen the daughter. I was glad the sound was off so I could only evaluate the women based only on their physical appearance. In both the shows I watched the guy, predictably, chose the daughter of the hottest Mom, who, also predictably, had the hottest daughter - even when that Mom was the last to present her daughter.

Yes, I know it's contrived. Yes, it's stupid; sue me, I was at the gym. But in no instance, were I the guy, would I even consider "dating" the mother in favor of the daughter.
 

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Let me sum this up for you....

Women have their heyday in their 20's. They reach their 30's and realize that feminism was GREAT back then, but now it's leaving them in a predicament. They know they better snag a man, but by this time the desirable men in her age bracket have realized that THE TABLES HAVE TURNED, and it's now THE MEN'S turn to watch women compete for THEM, both young AND old.

If you would have told me ten years ago that I would be hanging out with 22-23 yr old college students and models and such I would have had you institutionalized. SOCIETY (the feminist agenda) doesn't want you to KNOW this, so you have to wait till you're old enough to figure it out for yourself. And if you've managed to dodge the marriage bullet (as I have been lucky enough to several times) you will find yourself a DESIRABLE (which equals HAPPY) mature man. The 30 something woman? She knows her stock is dropping by the day, NO MATTER HOW HOT SHE IS, because even if she's hot, the 20 something hot chick wins with the DESIRABLE man, so she's UNHAPPY.

That about sums it up.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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samspade said:
I'm 32, and I've been amazed at the younger p**sy I've attracted at this age. Thank God I stayed single! It's a great time to be a man.
I'm extremely, extremely busy at the moment, have been for over a year now, so I don't have the time or the energy to sin a bunch of plates or try to get laid every weekend.

But I still can't get over the fact that it seems as if every day I get MORE attention from younger women. You definitely haven't hit your peak at 32....that's for sure.
 

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Womens' power comes directly form the fact that they are scarce - there are less of them than men so demand for them is higher and they are assigned a higher value.

The govt. would have you believe that there are more males than females to keep you males working hard in hopes of getting mates which in turn keeps the economy strong. BUt the fact is that the dating game is overpopulated by desperate males... The automatic higher value that women have enables them to have control over the men that want and desire them.

Most straight men whether they admit it or not, are in a state of servitude to women. And the capitalist commercial sector has caught on to this. So we now have a situation where women have their own buying power and a huge influence of the buying power of males... Hence why most media asociated with advertising is now geared toward women. So basically as long as the capitalist mind set sees women as the main profit affecting variable they will have the ultimate power since money rules over all else...

I have a simple analogy I like to use when i explain this situation to less intellectual people: The average women in the street gets as much attention from men as a male who is a successful celebrity gets from women.

SO what have modern men had to do as a result?:

1. many are now homosexual
1. b. many are now bi-sexual dating men when they cant find any women..
2. many are hermits/reclusive
3. many aim low and take what ever fat ugly psychotic women they can get (who most times still treats them bad)
4. many over compensate with material wealth and go from gold digger to gold digger
5. many use prostitutes/strippers
6. and many are in denial an use alcohol and or drugs to fill the void..
 

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ketostix said:
The reality is, and this might vary by region, most younger girls are 18-22 and in college with plenty of horny college guys around and a big social circle. They don't need some 30-something guy. Then these girls graduate and start working and pair off with some guy similar in age from their similar in age social circle. I know there are exceptions but this is generally whats going on. .

Well actually the trend now is for young hot girls to have many different guys to full fill many different wants ands needs in there life.... And yes they often will F older men over 30 as long as they can get the thing that men over 30 can usually provide better than the young guys the usually F....

Older men are constantly hitting on young girls and very willing to offer them money and gifts for sexual favors... Also many young girls feel that they are more mature or above the guys their age so they feel that an older man will be more emotionally satisfying...
 

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STR8UP said:
I'll be 37 in a couple of months, and out of the last half dozen women I've had sex with, only ONE was in her 30's. The rest range from 21 to about 26. And if you count the ones I've "fooled around" with, the youngest was 20, The next oldest had turned 21 about two weeks before I met her, and once again there was only ONE who was in her early 30's.

See, I don't find it difficult at all to fit into younger circles. I have more than one group of friends who fall in the early to mid 20's category. Most people think I am in my late 20's, so that probably helps, plus the status thing, but I can honestly say that I genuinely "click" with younger folks as long as they aren't immature.
Again, I said the word "average" very specifically addressing the majority of society. As we all have come to agree upon, the average male is married and well on their way to mediocrity by your age. Most seem miserable, and have lost their dream. Keeping that in mind, I maintain the assertion that it is indeed difficult for these men to migrate to younger social circles and get with the girls. ( I am also referring to single guys who are divorced or whatever).

People like you and I seem to have more opportunity to mingle with the younger crowed. I don't look my age, and probably won't until i am retired or whatever. I also don't act my age in the sense that it is still fun to be social. I also love making new friends and networking , something I am finding most of my friends at 28 or so do not have an active interest in. Lastly, I live in the city which has all the obvious benefits to meeting women of all lots. The average guy who isn't in the city is at a severe disadvantage in that regard alone.
 

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IMO, the only times I see girls in their early to mid twenties go for guys in their mid thirties and above are in situations where the guy has much higher status than the girl in their environment (e.g. girl dates her boss, actress dates more established actor, yoga enthusiast dates yogi, etc.). When it comes to cold approaches at clubs, older guys have a lot more difficulty.

In certain parts of NYC, the clubs are PACKED with 20-somethings, except for select groups of wealthy 30- and 40-somethings that are hellbent on sabotaging your game with said 20-somethings, under the supposition that their higher income bracket and age entitles them to such girls. They always dress sharp and try to out-alpha their younger rivals by doing things like buying rounds of drinks for all and paying backhanded compliments to the younger guys.

However, no matter how much they name drop hip indie bands, those guys inevitably come off as "try hard" with the girls there because it obviously isn't their "scene" for any other reason but the abundance of younger women.

Now, if these guys picked a locale that cater to a slightly older clientele, I think they'd have no problem scoring the occasional young hot chick that goes there to feel "mature." But college age girls at a dance club generally don't care about how high up in your company you are--they see mid thirties as OLD.

I'm all for getting rid of limiting beliefs, but sometimes I think the stuff about a 40 year old man's desirability with young girls is a gross exaggeration. I certainly don't see it other than in anecdotal evidence.

If you're in your 40's, your time is probably better spent with girls aged 29-35 that you can at least relate to, rather than wasting time with flaky chicks that still read "Highlights" magazine.

Bring on the flames, grandpas!:woo:
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Jeffst1980 said:
But college age girls at a dance club generally don't care about how high up in your company you are--they see mid thirties as OLD.

I'm all for getting rid of limiting beliefs, but sometimes I think the stuff about a 40 year old man's desirability with young girls is a gross exaggeration. I certainly don't see it other than in anecdotal evidence.
This is what I've been seeing as well. It's not what I want to say, it's what I actually see. I don't doubt some of the guys here who say that regularly pull 21 year olds. I'm not sure if they're doing it from the cold approach in nightclubs or some other avenue. But there's just not too many older guys I've ever known that were having much success with the early 20's girls. This the MM forum so we should talk about what is really happening and not what we want to happen. That's the only real way to come to the best solutions.
 

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ketostix said:
This is what I've been seeing as well. It's not what I want to say, it's what I actually see. I don't doubt some of the guys here who say that regularly pull 21 year olds. I'm not sure if they're doing it from the cold approach in nightclubs or some other avenue. But there's just not too many older guys I've ever known that were having much success with the early 20's girls. This the MM forum so we should talk about what is really happening and not what we want to happen. That's the only real way to come to the best solutions.
My biz partner is 38, I'm 37, and another of my good friends is 34ish, and all three of us manage to hold our own with women in their 20's.

I'm not saying that we aren't fairly "unique" amongst older men, however, it is the attitude of guys like our 27 year old poster jeff1980 that holds them back a lot more so than their actual age does.

So yea, if I walk into a room of 20 somethings dressed like an old fart with the mindset of an old fart, that's exactly what the women are going to see. But if I walk into a room dressed in stylish clothes, with a stylish hairstyle, with a non-defeatist attitude, women aren't going to look at me like an "old fart", they will look at me as a PEER.

And I don't want to sound like I'm pulling 21 yr old chicks every weekend, cause it doesn't go down that way, but with number of women I have had sex with, fooled around with, and get attention from who are in their early to mid 20's over the past 6 years I know it's not a fluke that younger women don't have a problem with YOU if you don't have a problem with YOURSELF.

Oh yea, and it does help to have status, no doubt about that.

What I'm saying here is that it's possible for pretty much any guy in his 30's and 40's to pull women in that age group with the right lifestyle and the right attitude.
 

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As a matter of fact, my buddy's is having a surprise party for his fiancee tonight who just graduated college, and I will be attending. I will probably be the oldest guy there by a good 7-10 years. And I have complete confidence that there won't be one single person there giving me a second glance because I seem "out of place".

Age really is a state of mind.

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And I don't expect you guys under 30 to know what I'm talking about. I had no clue at your age and I didn't even really wake up to the fact until I was a few years into my 30's. You'll see....
 

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What exactly does my attitude hold me back from?? Dating high school seniors??

STR8UP, I'm not questioning your attitude towards age. But I don't think you're pulling these girls by acting like a "peer" to them. They are probably going for you because they WANT somebody older and mature. There are plenty of young girls like that.

Sorry, I just don't think older guys should strive for being accepted as a peer to 20-somethings. Why not just earn their respect? I have friends my own age now, and when I'm forty, I'm assuming my peer group will be forty, too. I don't foresee having any desire to fit in with college kids.

Personally, I've already reached a point in my life where college girls seem too young for anything but a ONS. I'm really focused on building my career and making things happen in the real world, and they're living in that university bubble where they're completely isolated from the real world, yet they believe that they have everything figured out. It's cute, but I don't want to deal with it...OR the excessive text messaging...OR the parties with dorky guys that can only talk about drinking and xbox.
 

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Sorry, I just don't think older guys should strive for being accepted as a peer to 20-somethings. Why not just earn their respect? I have friends my own age now, and when I'm forty, I'm assuming my peer group will be forty, too. I don't foresee having any desire to fit in with college kids.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't strive to be accepted by anyone. I AM accepted by a wide age range because I've never been married, never divorced, no kids or pets tying me down. I dress how I FEEL, not how I think society thinks I should, I style my hair the way I FEEL, not how I think society thinks I should. I do things that I want to do and go places I want to go, not things society deems "appropriate" for my age group.

And lets see.....more than half of guys my age are fat, dress sloppy, look like they are 45, never go out, are in LTR's or marriages they may or may not be content with. Why would i want my peer group to center around THAT crowd?

I do have friends my age, and I do have friends that are as I described above. But you know who I have more fun with? The ones who are either A) Younger, or B) Don't subscribe to some preconceived notion that you have to "act your age" according to the general consensus.

It's 2008. The generation gap we had with our parents generation no longer exists. You are free to be whomever you want. Embrace it. You just might like it.

And no, these girls don't necessarily have a "mature man" fetish. They just feel comfortable around me, and when they find out that I am 10+ years older at first they are shocked, then they forget about it and life goes on.
 

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What exactly does my attitude hold me back from?? Dating high school seniors??

STR8UP, I'm not questioning your attitude towards age. But I don't think you're pulling these girls by acting like a "peer" to them. They are probably going for you because they WANT somebody older and mature. There are plenty of young girls like that.

Sorry, I just don't think older guys should strive for being accepted as a peer to 20-somethings. Why not just earn their respect? I have friends my own age now, and when I'm forty, I'm assuming my peer group will be forty, too. I don't foresee having any desire to fit in with college kids.

Personally, I've already reached a point in my life where college girls seem too young for anything but a ONS. I'm really focused on building my career and making things happen in the real world, and they're living in that university bubble where they're completely isolated from the real world, yet they believe that they have everything figured out. It's cute, but I don't want to deal with it...OR the excessive text messaging...OR the parties with dorky guys that can only talk about drinking and xbox.

Jeff, I suspect you've got it down to a T. I agree with you 100%.

There is way too much energy and time spent trying to game the sub-24 year old female demographic. I will take a 32-45 yr old woman with a good head on her shoulders any day. Who gives a flying **** if she's not super tight or YOUNG. The youth obsession in this culture is laughable.

There is absolutely nothing most 22 yr old chicks have to offer someone like me other than a good lay. They are self-absorbed, ignorant, shallow and boring. The ideal conversation with girls this age would be about cell phone technology or celebrity drama. I don't need that and I sure as hell ain't expending a good deal of my energy toward rationalizing why I would prefer a 20 yr old to a 40 yr old. I got more brains than that.

I think so many guys around here use the word "selective" and interpose it with physically selective. Whatever, let them, this is the sure road to misery...I like to think I'm selective in so many other ways.
 

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Jeffst1980 said:
In certain parts of NYC, the clubs are PACKED with 20-somethings, except for select groups of wealthy 30- and 40-somethings that are hellbent on sabotaging your game with said 20-somethings, under the supposition that their higher income bracket and age entitles them to such girls. They always dress sharp and try to out-alpha their younger rivals by doing things like buying rounds of drinks for all and paying backhanded compliments to the younger guys.
You are just pissed cos you cant compete with older guys. We all create our own reality. And we see what we want to see. You dont want to see older guys being succesful with younger women, so you don't. Simple as that.

Here is an article from the NY Times, a little old, but it might explain your bitterness.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...&scp=3&sq=women in ny dating older men&st=cse

The result is frustration for many young men. ''Sometimes I'm lonely,'' said a 27-year-old associate at a major New York law firm who has been searching for a girlfriend for the last two and a half years and who, like other young men interviewed, asked not to be identified.

''We are competing against these 30- and 40-year-olds,'' complained a 25-year-old Washington lawyer, adding that a 31-year-old man had recently taken an unwanted interest in his girlfriend.
The strong tendency toward relationships between an older man and a younger woman presents young single men and older single women with a common problem. Demographers have written volumes on the shortage of boyfriends and husbands for single women over the age of 30. The less studied mirror image of this problem is the plight of the man in his early or mid-20's.
''Men in their 20's simply may not have many women available who are younger,'' said William Beer, the deputy chairman of the sociology department at Brooklyn College. ''Older men are poaching.''
 

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There is way too much energy and time spent trying to game the sub-24 year old female demographic. I will take a 32-45 yr old woman with a good head on her shoulders any day. Who gives a flying **** if she's not super tight or YOUNG. The youth obsession in this culture is laughable..
Sounds like sour grapes to me.

You couldnt get a sub 24 year old even if your life depended on it, could you? I guess you will just have to settle for the barren 40 year old hags.
 

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Sounds like sour grapes to me.

You couldnt get a sub 24 year old even if your life depended on it, could you? I guess you will just have to settle for the barren 40 year old hags.

Sure man, you nailed it.

BTW..I think you transposed the numbers in your age.
 

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JThere is way too much energy and time spent trying to game the sub-24 year old female demographic. I will take a 32-45 yr old woman with a good head on her shoulders any day. Who gives a flying **** if she's not super tight or YOUNG. The youth obsession in this culture is laughable.
Who gives a fukk if she's not tight or young? ME, that's who. And YOU as a Man with natural desires should feel the same way.

I don't spend any more time or any more energy on younger women than I do older ones.

Does the king have a bunch of 45 yr old mistresses? No, of course not. He has 18-24 yr old mistresses. Why? Because he CAN.

Your defeatist mindset won't allow you to understand that this isn't "creepy old man chasing younger women", it's "younger women seeking to fulfill their biological imperative, and older man fulfilling his".

You can spend all the time you want lamenting the merits of a "mature" woman, but if everyone were to share your "preference", our species would cease to exist in short order.

I get the feeling that it is the guys who don't get much attention from younger women (for whatever reason) that have this "preference" for women who are on the verge of surpassing their "freshness" date.

I don't rule out older women, but for those of you who seek them out chances are it's more out of necessity than true desire.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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