Started dating an older women with kids

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No, it's definitely them. The first date we had on Monday lasted for over 2 hours and it seemed to be going great. She continued to text me all through the week, we go out for a bit again on Friday and poof.....ghosted. If you read the original post I had explained all of this in detail, that she was texting me wanting to spend time with me, etc. etc.

Women don't want men, she probably was just looking for attention/validation and perhaps a free drink. Hell, knowing what I know about the vile nature of most young women today nothing would shock me. They'll put on a fake smile, flirt and lead you on purely for their own gain. They hate men and see us as worthless tools good for nothing more than just likes on instagram.

How the **** would you feel if some slut used you like that?
You are beyond help. Good luck then.
 

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I've been on other dates before with other women, every single one of them ghosted. Each situation and woman was obviously a little different, but the result was the same.

As I've mentioned before, I've had women go completely out of there way to ask me out on date, just to cancel the date later and disappear out of nowhere. I had not texted anything after they cancelled the date through text except saying something like "No problem, when are you available this week?" and just ghosted lol. Please, do you actually see behavior like that from women as normal?

If it is me, the only real explanation I can think of is that either by really bad luck I seem to attract bat**** crazy women and getting these same results. I'm not completely convinced that this is the case, as I've met all these different women in a variety of settings (gym, bar/club, mutual acquaintances, grocery store, etc. ). They were also a variety of different women as well (race, age, where they grew up, etc.).

Trust me, I'm rational enough to look at each of these different scenarios and have tried to break down what the hell happened and can't figure any of it out. Hell, I've even gone out on dates with women that I really weren't into all that much and even they ghosted lol.

Women have hundreds of options, they could land a great guy like me but are willing to be celibate for a while to potentially find an even better guy.

I could break down each and every one of these experiences I've had but it would be pages worth of material that I wouldn't expect anyone to go through. Some men just aren't seen as datable by women, I guess I'm one of them despite all the great things I have going for me.
Exactly my point. When are you going to wake up? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GHOSTED. But yet its nothing you did?

OP are you delusional? Its quite obvious it IS something you are doing and likely the sane thing over and over again since you don't even bother to try and reflect and pinpoint where it started to go wrong.

Well, that is quite obvious to everyone reading this EXCEPT you, the only person who could actually do something about it and change the result.

Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result.
 

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I know, that's why I made this post. It's so hard to find anything decent out there that is actually single, with no kids and isn't bat **** crazy.

If I could just date her casually, have fun, have sex but not get involved in drama I'd be cool with that.....but I'm not sure if that is a realistic expectation. I'm not interested in being a replacement for a missing father figure.
Don’t automatically discredit her because she is a single mom. Find out the details. If she was divorced and the guy was honestly a plebeian than she may be a good catch.

If she was just a thot who ended up with two kids via casual sex flings, then abort or make friend with benefits with concrete boundaries.
 

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@sangheilios damn brother your not listening. Stop talking like a victim and start listening. Do you not see how angry you are getting about these trash females? Your not winning brother. They are. She cancelled a date and you asked when she was free next? Umm your not meant to do that. Just say ok. And wait for a counter offer if no offer is given. Ask again in a week. Without blowing there phone up. If she does it again ignore that sloot and delete her number.. @marmel75 is right. If you ain't going to listen then you are beyond helping. Lots of informative members here who have gone through way worse than your scenario.
 

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@cola 95% of single moms deserve to be discredited. Unless she was a widow. Classic scenario fell for the bad boy. Got pregnant. And now wants a nice guy fuk that chit. Single moms are grossly irresponsible and there kids will grow up either addicted to drugs or prison inmates. I've seen this before it ain't fuking pretty..And it's not good.to be in the loop with a woman like that. Why pay for another guys sperm? Single moms are the lowest of the low..And they deserve the life they were given for there stupid decisions not the man who has to come along and put up with it.
 

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Exactly my point. When are you going to wake up? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GHOSTED. But yet its nothing you did?

OP are you delusional? Its quite obvious it IS something you are doing and likely the sane thing over and over again since you don't even bother to try and reflect and pinpoint where it started to go wrong.

Well, that is quite obvious to everyone reading this EXCEPT you, the only person who could actually do something about it and change the result.

Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result.


I'll stick with a few examples: One I actually found a screenshot of, I edited it to take her name out.

1. Last summer I was out with a group of friends. Me and one of the friends went off on our own for a bit and he approached this pair of girls. Anyway, I ended up talking to one of them for over an hour, she was about to graduate with her bachelor's degree in nursing, and before she left she gave me her phone number. I texted her the next morning and she responded very quickly and within a few messages we had made plans to go mini golfing the next evening. We met up there to go mini golfing and have a great time. She was asking me to show her how to putt the ball, so I literally had my arms wrapped around her body whilst swinging the golf club with her, several times throughout the date. Before leaving she hugs me twice and on the second hug she initiated a kiss. We texted a bit over the next few days and she just vanished out of nowhere.

2 (repeat). Last summer I approached a recent regular at my gym. I went up to her when she had finished one of her sets on the roman chair, where you do leg raises, and introduced myself. We ended up talking for about 15 minutes before I let her get back to her workout. I see her there a couple days later, she sees me, waves to me, comes over to talk to me and we were discussing things she liked to do for fun. The topic of hiking came up and I mentioned a place that was near where we both lived that she had never been to, I had described where it was and she said she had no idea it was there. Anyway, she then proceeds to ask me if I'd like to do that with her that evening, so naturally we exchanged numbers. I finished my workout but when I left I saw that she asked if we could do another day, so naturally I asked if tomorrow worked. I didn't hear back from her and tried another time and still nothing. Long story short, it ended up just being a massive case of attention whoring.

I have a few other stories, but those are a few examples.

The picture I attached below is a conversation from when I first got the girl's number from the gym. I sent the first text by saying "Hey, it's xyz from LA fitness" I just edited it out for my own privacy. I had sent that screenshot to one of my friends last summer because he didn't believe me that a girl would ask me out just to ghost, so I sent him the picture of the texts as proof. I still had it on my phone, surprisingly.
 

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@cola 95% of single moms deserve to be discredited. Unless she was a widow. Classic scenario fell for the bad boy. Got pregnant. And now wants a nice guy fuk that chit. Single moms are grossly irresponsible and there kids will grow up either addicted to drugs or prison inmates. I've seen this before it ain't fuking pretty..And it's not good.to be in the loop with a woman like that. Why pay for another guys sperm? Single moms are the lowest of the low..And they deserve the life they were given for there stupid decisions not the man who has to come along and put up with it.
That’s an assessment from the lower levels of your consciousness. Marriages happen, so do divorces and it would be irrational to say it was always the woman’s fault.
There are bad women just like there are bad men and sometimes no one is bad, they just grew apart and a child was birthed somewhere in between.
 

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@cola every single mom I've met 13+ it was the baby daddy fault. Stop white knighting
If you asked 13 “baby daddies” why it didn’t work out they would say it was the moms fault. That’s an unfortunate part of the human condition, quick to point out the folly of others, rarely themselves.
 

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I'll stick with a few examples: One I actually found a screenshot of, I edited it to take her name out.

1. Last summer I was out with a group of friends. Me and one of the friends went off on our own for a bit and he approached this pair of girls. Anyway, I ended up talking to one of them for over an hour, she was about to graduate with her bachelor's degree in nursing, and before she left she gave me her phone number. I texted her the next morning and she responded very quickly and within a few messages we had made plans to go mini golfing the next evening. We met up there to go mini golfing and have a great time. She was asking me to show her how to putt the ball, so I literally had my arms wrapped around her body whilst swinging the golf club with her, several times throughout the date. Before leaving she hugs me twice and on the second hug she initiated a kiss. We texted a bit over the next few days and she just vanished out of nowhere.

2 (repeat). Last summer I approached a recent regular at my gym. I went up to her when she had finished one of her sets on the roman chair, where you do leg raises, and introduced myself. We ended up talking for about 15 minutes before I let her get back to her workout. I see her there a couple days later, she sees me, waves to me, comes over to talk to me and we were discussing things she liked to do for fun. The topic of hiking came up and I mentioned a place that was near where we both lived that she had never been to, I had described where it was and she said she had no idea it was there. Anyway, she then proceeds to ask me if I'd like to do that with her that evening, so naturally we exchanged numbers. I finished my workout but when I left I saw that she asked if we could do another day, so naturally I asked if tomorrow worked. I didn't hear back from her and tried another time and still nothing. Long story short, it ended up just being a massive case of attention whoring.

I have a few other stories, but those are a few examples.

The picture I attached below is a conversation from when I first got the girl's number from the gym. I sent the first text by saying "Hey, it's xyz from LA fitness" I just edited it out for my own privacy. I had sent that screenshot to one of my friends last summer because he didn't believe me that a girl would ask me out just to ghost, so I sent him the picture of the texts as proof. I still had it on my phone, surprisingly.
@sangheilios Don't offer another date when she says no. How about tommorow is gay! And so is when are we going hiking just stop bro you should of said "ok" and left it at that and never messaged her again. Until she reached out.
 

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I have no idea, women just don't like me at all. I'm 6'4", broad shouldered, fit, handsome, respectable, educated, have a 5 figure crypto portfolio and on a good potential career path right now. I've used OLD and tinder and get literally 0 matches or replies to my messages.

Women ghost on me all the time, lead me on and I get nothing at the end of the day......yet go for guys that aren't like me. I honestly don't get it.

I actually haven't heard from this woman in a couple days.....so naturally I've been ghosted again lol. Oh well, such is the life for the perfect catch and now this thread is irrelevant.
I would say that you are a FaceCel. Are you bald?
 

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If you asked 13 “baby daddies” why it didn’t work out they would say it was the moms fault. That’s an unfortunate part of the human condition, quick to point out the folly of others, rarely themselves.
Some of the moms didnt want a man in the house. Thats never factored. Half the time its the woman and the other half its the man. Some of the women chose a sperm donor unbeknownst to the man. Thus once impregnated the job was done.
 

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I have no idea, women just don't like me at all. I'm 6'4", broad shouldered, fit, handsome, respectable, educated, have a 5 figure crypto portfolio and on a good potential career path right now. I've used OLD and tinder and get literally 0 matches or replies to my messages.
What is your race?
 
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Your vibe is shlt. Bottom line.

Vibe > Looks
Vibe > Money
Vibe = (Perceived) Status

I have friends, completely average looks, average money with incredible vibe and kill it EVERY time we go out with young hot women.

I have a Chad friend who feels relegated to older women as he is not secure in his own vibe for the young ones.

It’s all vibe. Until you get this, you’ll continue scraping dust.

Because your mind is a dungeon, you need to
get some “blood” in: ugly, fat, whatever, take them ALL in and build that vibe. Then your blindfolds will come off.
Vibes are overrated. Obviously they can be altered by spraying pheromones. You can spray "status" pheromones which make you be perceived as higher value as well. You have some types of pheromones that influence how you are thinking as well and vibing out. For something that can be changed by a bottle of perfume it's not that big of a deal. Can google this stuff. I tried some limited experiments on this back in 2011 and again December 2013 before eventually quitting.

One thing is interesting about the pheromone experiments, I did manage to get into a relationship the subsequent year, and meet someone and get married when I tried it again in December 2013. However, neither was directly related to pheromones, but it's an interesting coincidence. Maybe it could be helpful for the OP, maybe not, but you don't know if you don't try.
 

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Some of the moms didnt want a man in the house. Thats never factored. Half the time its the woman and the other half its the man. Some of the women chose a sperm donor unbeknownst to the man. Thus once impregnated the job was done.
Vibes are overrated. Obviously they can be altered by spraying pheromones. You can spray "status" pheromones which make you be perceived as higher value as well. You have some types of pheromones that influence how you are thinking as well and vibing out. For something that can be changed by a bottle of perfume it's not that big of a deal. Can google this stuff. I tried some limited experiments on this back in 2011 and again December 2013 before eventually quitting.

One thing is interesting about the pheromone experiments, I did manage to get into a relationship the subsequent year, and meet someone and get married when I tried it again in December 2013. However, neither was directly related to pheromones, but it's an interesting coincidence. Maybe it could be helpful for the OP, maybe not, but you don't know if you don't try.
Vibes trigger feelings which trigger attraction.
 

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Vibes are overrated. Obviously they can be altered by spraying pheromones. You can spray "status" pheromones which make you be perceived as higher value as well. You have some types of pheromones that influence how you are thinking as well and vibing out. For something that can be changed by a bottle of perfume it's not that big of a deal. Can google this stuff. I tried some limited experiments on this back in 2011 and again December 2013 before eventually quitting.

One thing is interesting about the pheromone experiments, I did manage to get into a relationship the subsequent year, and meet someone and get married when I tried it again in December 2013. However, neither was directly related to pheromones, but it's an interesting coincidence. Maybe it could be helpful for the OP, maybe not, but you don't know if you don't try.
Incorrect.

Vibe = How you think + Your Intent

Think for a moment of spinning plates which creates the abundant vibe. If you are spinning 3 girls, for example, your intent is totally free of need for the 4th batter up because you already have 3 in your sphere.

Your thinking too, which is influenced by your intent, will also be one of, “let’s see if you can make it to the harem, let’s see what you got.”

Both the thinking and the intent will emanate in your body language, mannerisms, sub-communications a/k/a vibe/energy—which is basis of all attraction.

Without vibe, you have shlt.
 

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Incorrect.

Vibe = How you think + Your Intent

Think for a moment of spinning plates which creates the abundant vibe. If you are spinning 3 girls, for example, your intent is totally free of need for the 4th batter up because you already have 3 in your sphere.

Your thinking too, which is influenced by your intent, will also be one of, “let’s see if you can make it to the harem, let’s see what you got.”

Both the thinking and the intent will emanate in your body language, mannerisms, sub-communications a/k/a vibe/energy—which is basis of all attraction.

Without vibe, you have shlt.
If you have never tried pheromones out then you can't really say if they work or not at altering your vibe, or masking your vibe so that women are receiving a different type of vibe then your native vibe, which is the goal of this whole thing.

You are suggesting a catch-22 to an incel-tier OP. It's like advising a homeless man that he should get a mansion rather than sit there so he'll be able to front collateral for a bank loan and be able to afford a lavish vacation. Do you realize how insensitive that sounds?

If you can't alter your native-vibe then you have to mask it and project an alternative vibe. This can be accomplished by chemical manipulation of the olfactory senses in the female brain through the use of pheormones. With the assistance of pheromones you can subcommunicate a vibe that, you are a high-status male, have a great attitude, and have no problems getting women, even if that's contrary to the native vibe. At least pheromones don't need a catch-22 to try out, and the OP don't sound broke to me. It's not an expensive social experiment for the OP to try out.
 
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