wifehunter
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Anyone else get turned off by jealously shiit tests? I mean, loyalty is close to the top of the list of qualities us men look for!
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Speaking of shiit tests...
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
wifehunter
Master Don Juan
Yeah, I hear you!!!
I will give it to the ladies though, it's a great way to get to know someone. Kind of like a stress test. Assuming you are quality, and she finds out by testing, the benefits are staggering!!!
But, too much is to much!
My last test or tests, was fuking brutal. I could never see a test any worse. She must really love me. But, I'm glad she's gone for now!!! When I think of her, I have mixed feelings. In the future she'll need to qualify herself. "Turn about, is fair play"
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Sure, it makes perfect sense why they do it. I think realize it or not, as we get better with girls we kinda sh!t test them too. Helps you screen for crazy needy behavior.
But after a certain point I feel like I'm just a circus animal jumping through hoops and I won't put up with that.
wifehunter
Master Don Juan
Just say NO to hoops... Yeah, ghosting/nc is the best course of action in that case. I've been a ghost for two months. Halloween lasted extra long this year! Feels great!
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
With ALL women.. your finger should always be hovering over the eject button.
Where most men lose their leverage and give away their power is by always looking for excuses to stay with a woman while women are always looking for excuses to leave a man (hypergamy). When you reverse this pattern while spinning plates.. women cling like glue. Its so easy from a technical stand point. But most men are too emotionally weak to operate this way because they're giant co-dependent white knights.
Where most men lose their leverage and give away their power is by always looking for excuses to stay with a woman while women are always looking for excuses to leave a man (hypergamy). When you reverse this pattern while spinning plates.. women cling like glue. Its so easy from a technical stand point. But most men are too emotionally weak to operate this way because they're giant co-dependent white knights.
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everytime you guy talk about women putting you thru hit test, and you describe those tests, it just sounds to me like these are either insecure women, or just dont know how to/are afraid to communicate their needs to you. that's not me saying that women are never **** testing by design, I just wonder how many of their insecurities come out as **** tests, and they dont even recognize it
wifehunter
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Yes, insecurities are a high probability. And, yes, they don't know how to communicate their needs. And yes, they are clueless to the fact, also. It's when the pain of loss overcomes them, they finally open their mouths.
Be excellent, and be gone!
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Couldn't agree more! I would be willing to bet that most attractive women HB7 and above are actually insecure. And this ties into the jealousy. I probably had 5 different occasions with my ex where she got jealous. It wasn't outrageous, but she made subtle comments. The worst part is, none of those occasions did I flirt or do anything in front of her and the women were less attractive.
sazc
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When I see you guys discuss this topic, I do wonder to myself - where are your "standards"?. My knee jerk is to ask you to call her on her sh1t and explain you don't deal in passive aggressive bu11**** and, if she has any needs, or concerns, she needs to TALK to you about them.
But I know it's all easier said than done...
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
wifehunter
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Yes, getting to the bottom of the issue is tough because of the emotional air around it. Sometimes, I can't find the words. I have trouble dealing with my own emotions. Having to deal with another's emotions gets overwhelming at times.
So, when they pout, I get quiet, and do nothing. Talking instead of pouting is a much more mature and problem solving response. The pouting isn't so cute anymore. Thanks!
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Agreed! If there was one thing we didn't ever do was talk. We would have a conversation, but then nothing came of it. I would dig and dig, and she would say she needs time to process or think about it... then never bring it up again...
Until she decided it was over... her lack of really communicating what was going on should have been a big red flag. I mostly got the "your not used to being alone" (because I had only been divorced a couple months) and "I have been single for a while, and I like my independence"