"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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There's this girl, and I've done everything wrong- be too available to talk all the time, using gmail chat instead of talking, disclosing my actual shortcomings and insecurities to her. The thing is, I don't even like her that much- she is not that attractive to me. But the fact that she is so adamantly friendzoning me is bugging the crap out of me. If I can't even get a girl I'm not attracted to, how can I hope to get one of the attractive ones?

I tried explaining to her that spending all day at the beach with someone of the opposite sex is a date, but she insisted it was "hanging out". At one point the topic came up of whether she would date me, and I said, of course you can't because you have a boyfriend. And she goes, "But even if I didn't and then made a disgusted face. I said, "Well, it goes both ways," but I still felt major disrespect there. Why would I want to "hang out" with someone who's not even attracted to me? I think male and female "friendships" are a sham anyway. But she was giving other signs that she was attracted to me, so it's mixed signals- major game playing from this girl.

I'm afraid I am a beta orbiter and a chump, and she's just using me for her emotional needs that her boyfriend won't give her. I'm like her fvcking gay friend. I don't like it. And again, I'm not even attracted to her. What the fvck is wrong with me for fvck's sakes. It just feels rude if the chat box comes on and it's her and I don't answer.

Any time a man and a woman go out to do something alone, it's a date. I don't care what anybody else says. Whenever a woman says it's just "hanging out", that doesn't mean it's not a date- that just means the woman is going to act like a douche during the date. She's basically disrespecting you by saying, "I don't think you're sexually attractive."

Fvck it.
 
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I'm pretty hammered right now. Alcohol will probably be what kills me. Fvck the naysayers, I did what I loved and what made me happy. Happiness is all that matters.
 

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I'm only half in the bag, so my post probably won't make much sense here.

Took the kid to go see Elysium tonight....let me tell you, I like Matt Damon, If I was gay I'm sure I'd be jerking it to him. That being said, it was the biggest cliche filled, over endulged, piece of $hit movie I ever saw. I can't see how these actors constantly get put in these $hit movies, then somehow go on with their lives. It was a joke. Fvcking crap.

EDIT: and how come the moderator's forum never has any posts in it? Don't they want to talk about moderator stuff???
 
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Peaks&Valleys said:
I'm only half in the bag, so my post probably won't make much sense here.

Took the kid to go see Elysium tonight....let me tell you, I like Matt Damon, If I was gay I'm sure I'd be jerking it to him. That being said, it was the biggest cliche filled, over endulged, piece of $hit movie I ever saw. I can't see how these actors constantly get put in these $hit movies, then somehow go on with their lives. It was a joke. Fvcking crap.

EDIT: and how come the moderator's forum never has any posts in it? Don't they want to talk about moderator stuff???

I just checked in and realized how depressing my post was. You completely made up for it. Hilarious.

And yeah, Elysium is a straight up propaganda flick.
 

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This is a great idea for a thread! I'm surprised one like this hasn't shown up sooner.
 

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Peaks&Valleys said:
EDIT: and how come the moderator's forum never has any posts in it? Don't they want to talk about moderator stuff???
The posts are shy - they run and hide unless you sing them nursery rhymes.

Then they fall asleep and you can catch them and read them while theyre napping ;)
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Am I the only one here that takes the path of least resistance?

Let's say you were at a bar and knew this HB6 would bang. On the other hand, there is an 8 that you might have a shot with, but takes much more work and it's 50/50. Which would you go after?
 

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BeginningDJ said:
Am I the only one here that takes the path of least resistance?

Let's say you were at a bar and knew this HB6 would bang. On the other hand, there is an 8 that you might have a shot with, but takes much more work and it's 50/50. Which would you go after?
No, you're pretty much like a good friend of mine. He just wants to get laid. And he gets mad at me when I don't want to go out and meet a set of 5's. I tell him: "I'd like to help you out buddy, and be a wing man and take one for the team, but the girl you're trying to get is also a 5. The jumping on the grenade rule doesn't apply here. Unlike you, my d1ck doesn't move when I look at a 5 walking across the room."

He's 36, I've known him since I was 8, he's had certifiable 10's but he's also probably been the only one I know who's banged a 1.

You're screwed BDJ.
 
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Fighting words Weak&Amputee,

If you have those high standards, I absolutely congratulate you to come home with d!ck in hand. I'm glad that you can pass up a guaranteed 6. Maybe you don't like random fvcks and looking for someone to spend the rest of your life with?
 

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Fighting words Weak&Amputee,

If you have those high standards, I absolutely congratulate you to come home with d!ck in hand. I'm glad that you can pass up a guaranteed 6. Maybe you don't like random fvcks and looking for someone to spend the rest of your life with?
Your scale or my scale?

I've seen what you consider an HB10...and let me tell you, I'd hate to see what you consider an HB6.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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BeginningDJ said:
I don't rate woman in their 30's or with kids.
Wait 12 years.

That chick seemed like a solid 6, could be a 7 if her body was on point. Either way....yes.
 
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Peaks&Valleys said:
Wait 12 years.

That chick seemed like a solid 6, could be a 7 if her body was on point. Either way....yes.
To be the same age as you?

I'll openly ask you now, do you not think you can attract an HB7 with no kids or baggage?
 

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BeginningDJ said:
To be the same age as you?

I'll openly ask you now, do you not think you can attract an HB7 with no kids or baggage?
Yes, of course. I just get along with more mature women though, you know, women my age. Most of them have some baggage, it's okay though, so do I ;)

I banged a 24 year a month ago that I picked up from a bar....cute as hell, no kids, never been married. She was a little thicker than I like but still good. I met up with her the other day and she gained 10 lbs...at least. I should have realized it when she ordered cheese sticks when we first met. Bad news, I ended up making an excuse to leave.

I'd rather take a 35 year old who has a kid and her $hit together. Works out everyday, sophisticated, fake boobies, money....knows what a man wants, doesn't fvck around.

That's just me though....
 
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Damn, that gives me fvcking motivation for the future...Dude you are such a buzzkill!

Are you telling me that women in their 20's are nearly off limits for men in their late 30's? Jesus christ, if that's the case, I'm dedicating myself to going out 8 nights a week!
 

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BeginningDJ said:
Damn, that gives me fvcking motivation for the future...Dude you are such a buzzkill!

Are you telling me that women in their 20's are nearly off limits for men in their late 30's? Jesus christ, if that's the case, I'm dedicating myself to going out 8 nights a week!
Are you always b1tching and crying? Seriously??

Get the fvck out of here.

EDIT: Not a good idea
 
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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