B
BeDJ
Guest
Sometimes, you just need to get a thought off your head.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
There's this girl, and I've done everything wrong- be too available to talk all the time, using gmail chat instead of talking, disclosing my actual shortcomings and insecurities to her. The thing is, I don't even like her that much- she is not that attractive to me. But the fact that she is so adamantly friendzoning me is bugging the crap out of me. If I can't even get a girl I'm not attracted to, how can I hope to get one of the attractive ones?
I tried explaining to her that spending all day at the beach with someone of the opposite sex is a date, but she insisted it was "hanging out". At one point the topic came up of whether she would date me, and I said, of course you can't because you have a boyfriend. And she goes, "But even if I didn't and then made a disgusted face. I said, "Well, it goes both ways," but I still felt major disrespect there. Why would I want to "hang out" with someone who's not even attracted to me? I think male and female "friendships" are a sham anyway. But she was giving other signs that she was attracted to me, so it's mixed signals- major game playing from this girl.
I'm afraid I am a beta orbiter and a chump, and she's just using me for her emotional needs that her boyfriend won't give her. I'm like her fvcking gay friend. I don't like it. And again, I'm not even attracted to her. What the fvck is wrong with me for fvck's sakes. It just feels rude if the chat box comes on and it's her and I don't answer.
Any time a man and a woman go out to do something alone, it's a date. I don't care what anybody else says. Whenever a woman says it's just "hanging out", that doesn't mean it's not a date- that just means the woman is going to act like a douche during the date. She's basically disrespecting you by saying, "I don't think you're sexually attractive."
Fvck it.
I tried explaining to her that spending all day at the beach with someone of the opposite sex is a date, but she insisted it was "hanging out". At one point the topic came up of whether she would date me, and I said, of course you can't because you have a boyfriend. And she goes, "But even if I didn't and then made a disgusted face. I said, "Well, it goes both ways," but I still felt major disrespect there. Why would I want to "hang out" with someone who's not even attracted to me? I think male and female "friendships" are a sham anyway. But she was giving other signs that she was attracted to me, so it's mixed signals- major game playing from this girl.
I'm afraid I am a beta orbiter and a chump, and she's just using me for her emotional needs that her boyfriend won't give her. I'm like her fvcking gay friend. I don't like it. And again, I'm not even attracted to her. What the fvck is wrong with me for fvck's sakes. It just feels rude if the chat box comes on and it's her and I don't answer.
Any time a man and a woman go out to do something alone, it's a date. I don't care what anybody else says. Whenever a woman says it's just "hanging out", that doesn't mean it's not a date- that just means the woman is going to act like a douche during the date. She's basically disrespecting you by saying, "I don't think you're sexually attractive."
Fvck it.
U
user43770
Guest
I'm pretty hammered right now. Alcohol will probably be what kills me. Fvck the naysayers, I did what I loved and what made me happy. Happiness is all that matters.
Peaks&Valleys
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2013
- Messages
- 1,956
- Reaction score
- 355
I'm only half in the bag, so my post probably won't make much sense here.
Took the kid to go see Elysium tonight....let me tell you, I like Matt Damon, If I was gay I'm sure I'd be jerking it to him. That being said, it was the biggest cliche filled, over endulged, piece of $hit movie I ever saw. I can't see how these actors constantly get put in these $hit movies, then somehow go on with their lives. It was a joke. Fvcking crap.
EDIT: and how come the moderator's forum never has any posts in it? Don't they want to talk about moderator stuff???
Took the kid to go see Elysium tonight....let me tell you, I like Matt Damon, If I was gay I'm sure I'd be jerking it to him. That being said, it was the biggest cliche filled, over endulged, piece of $hit movie I ever saw. I can't see how these actors constantly get put in these $hit movies, then somehow go on with their lives. It was a joke. Fvcking crap.
EDIT: and how come the moderator's forum never has any posts in it? Don't they want to talk about moderator stuff???
Last edited:
B
BeDJ
Guest
Not
Last edited by a moderator:
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
B
BeDJ
Guest
a good
Last edited by a moderator:
B
BeDJ
Guest
idea.
Last edited by a moderator:
U
user43770
Guest
Peaks&Valleys said:
I just checked in and realized how depressing my post was. You completely made up for it. Hilarious.
And yeah, Elysium is a straight up propaganda flick.
Purefilth
Master Don Juan
The posts are shy - they run and hide unless you sing them nursery rhymes.Peaks&Valleys said:
Then they fall asleep and you can catch them and read them while theyre napping
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
B
BeDJ
Guest
Am I the only one here that takes the path of least resistance?
Let's say you were at a bar and knew this HB6 would bang. On the other hand, there is an 8 that you might have a shot with, but takes much more work and it's 50/50. Which would you go after?
Let's say you were at a bar and knew this HB6 would bang. On the other hand, there is an 8 that you might have a shot with, but takes much more work and it's 50/50. Which would you go after?
Peaks&Valleys
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2013
- Messages
- 1,956
- Reaction score
- 355
No, you're pretty much like a good friend of mine. He just wants to get laid. And he gets mad at me when I don't want to go out and meet a set of 5's. I tell him: "I'd like to help you out buddy, and be a wing man and take one for the team, but the girl you're trying to get is also a 5. The jumping on the grenade rule doesn't apply here. Unlike you, my d1ck doesn't move when I look at a 5 walking across the room."BeginningDJ said:
He's 36, I've known him since I was 8, he's had certifiable 10's but he's also probably been the only one I know who's banged a 1.
You're screwed BDJ.
B
BeDJ
Guest
Fighting words Weak&Amputee,
If you have those high standards, I absolutely congratulate you to come home with d!ck in hand. I'm glad that you can pass up a guaranteed 6. Maybe you don't like random fvcks and looking for someone to spend the rest of your life with?
If you have those high standards, I absolutely congratulate you to come home with d!ck in hand. I'm glad that you can pass up a guaranteed 6. Maybe you don't like random fvcks and looking for someone to spend the rest of your life with?
Peaks&Valleys
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2013
- Messages
- 1,956
- Reaction score
- 355
Your scale or my scale?BeginningDJ said:
I've seen what you consider an HB10...and let me tell you, I'd hate to see what you consider an HB6.
B
BeDJ
Guest
My HB6 (would bang)Peaks&Valleys said:
http://imgur.com/mQTa0pr
I don't rate woman in their 30's or with kids.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Peaks&Valleys
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2013
- Messages
- 1,956
- Reaction score
- 355
Wait 12 years.BeginningDJ said:
That chick seemed like a solid 6, could be a 7 if her body was on point. Either way....yes.
B
BeDJ
Guest
To be the same age as you?Peaks&Valleys said:
I'll openly ask you now, do you not think you can attract an HB7 with no kids or baggage?
Peaks&Valleys
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2013
- Messages
- 1,956
- Reaction score
- 355
Yes, of course. I just get along with more mature women though, you know, women my age. Most of them have some baggage, it's okay though, so do IBeginningDJ said:
I banged a 24 year a month ago that I picked up from a bar....cute as hell, no kids, never been married. She was a little thicker than I like but still good. I met up with her the other day and she gained 10 lbs...at least. I should have realized it when she ordered cheese sticks when we first met. Bad news, I ended up making an excuse to leave.
I'd rather take a 35 year old who has a kid and her $hit together. Works out everyday, sophisticated, fake boobies, money....knows what a man wants, doesn't fvck around.
That's just me though....
B
BeDJ
Guest
Damn, that gives me fvcking motivation for the future...Dude you are such a buzzkill!
Are you telling me that women in their 20's are nearly off limits for men in their late 30's? Jesus christ, if that's the case, I'm dedicating myself to going out 8 nights a week!
Are you telling me that women in their 20's are nearly off limits for men in their late 30's? Jesus christ, if that's the case, I'm dedicating myself to going out 8 nights a week!
Peaks&Valleys
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2013
- Messages
- 1,956
- Reaction score
- 355
Are you always b1tching and crying? Seriously??BeginningDJ said:
Get the fvck out of here.
EDIT: Not a good idea
Last edited:
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.