Ringleader41
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also if you're her last plate too
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Some signs you're the top plate a girl is spinning
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Ringleader41
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guys she's banging
I agree with PairPlusRoyalFlush, but remember, for all the talk we have about NC, girls understand that stuff too. They invented NC I'm pretty sure. So when you first meet a girl and she suddenly starts texting all the time, you might think that is high interest when it's medium interest. She's gone NC with her #1 plate and is filling time with you. Likewise, later on, when she develops feelings, she will suddenly care enough to start playing games in order to control the relationship. Then she might contact you less but her interest level is actually higher. If you don't remember this, you might have a defeatist attitude and blow it. Always assume they like you until they tell you they will never go out with you.
Good signs:
1) They text a sexy photo of themselves.
2) They use key words like "excited" and "love" a lot.
3) They text a heart, or broken heart when you don't reply.
4) You get a 700 word text message in multiple parts.
5) The number of days per week they are texting you is increasing.
6) They initiate text conversations.
7) They freak out if you don't reply.
8) They text to invite you out for an overnight trip.
9) You can make plans weeks in advance and they show up on time.
10) They show up for a date even though they are sick.
11) They grab your hand and pull you along in the restaurant.
12) They have an orgasm.
13) They remember stories you told about other women and act jealous for months.
14) They say "What are we?"
15) They French kiss you indefinitely.
16) They call after a date, gushing with how much fun they had.
Bad signs:
1) They text "Umm..."
2) They never send long text messages.
3) They go more than 14 days without replying (then it's over).
4) They say "B-bye".
5) They don't even text a thank-you after a date.
(Yes part of it doesn't make sense but women don't make sense. The same stimulus does not always produce the same response. Talk to women who really like a guy and they often they admit that they won't text the guy first, only if he writes to them first. That usually only happens after high interest + sex has happened).
Good signs:
1) They text a sexy photo of themselves.
2) They use key words like "excited" and "love" a lot.
3) They text a heart, or broken heart when you don't reply.
4) You get a 700 word text message in multiple parts.
5) The number of days per week they are texting you is increasing.
6) They initiate text conversations.
7) They freak out if you don't reply.
8) They text to invite you out for an overnight trip.
9) You can make plans weeks in advance and they show up on time.
10) They show up for a date even though they are sick.
11) They grab your hand and pull you along in the restaurant.
12) They have an orgasm.
13) They remember stories you told about other women and act jealous for months.
14) They say "What are we?"
15) They French kiss you indefinitely.
16) They call after a date, gushing with how much fun they had.
Bad signs:
1) They text "Umm..."
2) They never send long text messages.
3) They go more than 14 days without replying (then it's over).
4) They say "B-bye".
5) They don't even text a thank-you after a date.
(Yes part of it doesn't make sense but women don't make sense. The same stimulus does not always produce the same response. Talk to women who really like a guy and they often they admit that they won't text the guy first, only if he writes to them first. That usually only happens after high interest + sex has happened).
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Ringleader41
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Wait that doesn't make any sense. You say they start playing games with you and not texting you a lot, but your good signs says they will text you a lot
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Why would a man even consider being a plate a girl is spinning!! unless she's a fbuddy, that is not an option for a guy. put things in perspective a guy is never a plate. you're either being played- if you getting sex from the girl or being strung along- if you ain't getting sex