"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Should men pay for women: THE ANSWER!!!

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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chance

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haha i never pay. im unemployed though. i do offer for example last night. but she insisted on paying both our movie tickets. and kept offering to buy food or drinks. even ifi had money i wouldnt be one of them show offs who buys her drinks n all just to prove he has money. that will just get her use to the idea.
 

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Look at it this way fellas.
cup of coffee on first date for both of you = $8
going to dinner on second date = $30
getting cup of coffee on third date for both of you (at end of date you get sex) = $8
total = $46

vs

having sex with a hooker = $100 +

having sex with a hooker = 1 time
getting a relationship with girl you dated = sex MANY TIMES
When you think about it we men end up paying to get sex no matter what. Whether it be through paying for dates or getting a hooker. It is still much cheaper to just pay for the stuff in a date then it is getting a hooker.

Remember: The money you spend on a female on dates will likely equal having sex many times if you get a relationship unlike paying for a hooker.

It's just logic and common sense. The money you pay for dates till you have sex with a female will likely come much cheaper than what you pay for a hooker.

Another thing is that with the way society has us programmed you refusing to pay will only make you look cheap (even though you just have principles). She will likely feel a bit offended by it. Women detest men that are cheap and there are no lack of men that will spend money on them to get into her pants. Don't forget that in this world we are living in the pu$$y HAS THE POWER. So you showing your principles in this situation will more likely cost you a lay rather than help your cause as she has plenty of options.
 

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f283000 said:
Another thing is that with the way society has us programmed you refusing to pay will only make you look cheap (even though you just have principles). She will likely feel a bit offended by it. Women detest men that are cheap and there are no lack of men that will spend money on them to get into her pants. Don't forget that in this world we are living in the pu$$y HAS THE POWER. So you showing your principles in this situation will more likely cost you a lay rather than help your cause as she has plenty of options.
yes and yes and yes its bvllsh!t but so is life.

Most of the time they just like the fact that you offer to pay, with no intention of actually letting you pay.
 

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Here's the answer...

If it's a date, PAY.
If it's just hanging out, DON'T PAY.

If she gets annoyed at you for not paying, then she thinks you're more than friends, or is open to being more than friends. This is only the case if she's not using you...
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Datpiff said:
i think that guy seems a lil insecure, hes taking the dont buy a girl drinks at the bar way too far

That's what I was thinking. The basis behind the 'never pay' rule seems to be anger at the entire female gender. The problem is that it is directed at one single woman, whom you probably barely even know. It's not any different on a first date than when a woman tells you all the things she hates about men. Bitterness is not attractive in either gender. We all want a woman without such emotional baggage, but you can't really ask for what you don't even offer yourself.

Obviously, throwing money at women is not the answer, because a lot of women would take advantage of you, but neither is the answer to be a complete miser. Becoming a good judge of character will save you more money in the long run than any rule about who pays on dates.
 

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This is all a lot of nitpicking. If you know how to act, it really doesn't matter if you pay. But in my own personal opinion, if you're a decent human being, sometimes you will pay. It's not a big deal.

If my buddy from another state calls to tell me he's coming to visit, I'll let him know beforehand that he's paying his own way, and he needs to spring for a motel. While he's here, I might invite him out for drinks, and I would probably buy him a few. He's my friend, and I invited him.

If he just showed up and I had a lot going on, and I didn't have time for him, I'd tell him right away how it is. "I will make time for you when I can. You should've let me know you were coming." Then, while he's here, maybe I would invite him out, in which case I would pay a little.

The same for a woman. If you impose yourself on me, maybe I pay a bit here or there, but not much if at all. But if I invite someone, I should be a proper host and offer to pay at least some. This really has nothing to do with getting laid, it's just what I think is decent.

But whether you get laid doesn't hinge on you paying or not, unless you have no game.
 

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If you have to buy her stuff(dinner,drinks) in order to get laid then you are a TRICK!
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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sighhhh...this thread (the infighting in it) is what I hate about sosuave.net Half the virgins and keyboard jockeys in here are going on and on about how "they would never" spend 10 dollars on "a *****". Ok guys, we are on the internets where no one knows you cry yourselves to sleep every night.


There's a difference between buying a girl a goddamn sandwich (when she paid for the bus fare) and buying her a diamond ring for no reason whatsoever.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
That's what I was thinking. The basis behind the 'never pay' rule seems to be anger at the entire female gender. The problem is that it is directed at one single woman, whom you probably barely even know. It's not any different on a first date than when a woman tells you all the things she hates about men. Bitterness is not attractive in either gender. We all want a woman without such emotional baggage, but you can't really ask for what you don't even offer yourself.
anger? how am I bitter and angry towards the female gender? just because i choose to let her pay for her own shit?

Why do you pay for dates with women anyways? i could understand it if we were still living in ancient times when women were not allowed to work but this is the 21st century ffs, even females are running for US presidency and stuff like that. so how am i wrong to expect them to pay for their own stuff?
 

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F*ck that, we are men and so we PROVIDE for women. Women don't like men who smother them with gifts, but they don't like cheap men either.
"oh no but feminists want everything to be equal, I'll give them equal!" Umm what? Are all women feminists? Are YOU a feminist? No? Just the f*ck up then, be a man and buy the woman a ****ing drink you fool.
 

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Chickfight said:
F*ck that, we are men and so we PROVIDE for women.
well shit...obviously i didn't get the memo!

Chickfight said:
Women don't like men who smother them with gifts, but they don't like cheap men either.
how does this matter exactly? i think you've mistaken me for someone who actually gives a fvck about what woman want.
 

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HolyG said:
sighhhh...this thread (the infighting in it) is what I hate about sosuave.net Half the virgins and keyboard jockeys in here are going on and on about how "they would never" spend 10 dollars on "a *****". Ok guys, we are on the internets where no one knows you cry yourselves to sleep every night.


There's a difference between buying a girl a goddamn sandwich (when she paid for the bus fare) and buying her a diamond ring for no reason whatsoever.

why are you buying her a sandwich? she has a job..she can buy her own sandwich. i don't spend money on people until they are worthy of it...
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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This thread proves that most of you are teenage boys in America with little money. Maybe one day you can be Mr. Mom! The emasculation is complete. Your girls kick soccer balls, walk like ducks, and smell horrible. Game is over.
 

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I thought I'd lighten up the discussion a bit.

A while back, I chatted up this girl at a bar. She was a graduate student, pretty smart, so I thought I'd have some fun with her ;) She was griping about the injustice of women earning less than men for doing the same work. I responded with the following:

It's not that women make less, it's that men make more - it's affirmative action. You see, our society is organized such that men have to pay for women, and they have to pay for themselves. If men did not make more than women, we guys would end up having far less money than women at the end of the day... and women would hold all the financial power. You see, it's just affirmitive action, lol!

I was just having some fun, but she actually got into a whole discussion with me about it. She even said that she always go Dutch with a guy. Well, I told her that she's one in on hundred women exception and that that does nor get rid of the need for pro male affirmitive action in the workplace.

Jokes aside, I'll say this: Should men pay for women? - probably not. Is it a good idea in most cases? Yes. Even if a woman tells you that she can pay for herself when, for example, going out to dinner, our world views are such that both the guy and girl feel better about the whole thing if he pays. It's not fair, but it's reality.
 

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cordoncordon said:
He pretty much sounds like a d!ck to me.
I agree. The major problem in this particular situation is that the guy is working while the woman is not working. I would have understand if it were to be the woman working but for the guy to be working and pull sh!ts like this is crappp!.
 

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teacha said:
well shit...obviously i didn't get the memo!



how does this matter exactly? i think you've mistaken me for someone who actually gives a fvck about what woman want.

Yeah, I guess nobody ever taught you how to be a man.

Haha, there's a difference between what women want and what women say they want. A woman might say she doesn't mind going dutch, but inside she'll want you to be a man. You obviously don't care about either which is why you end up alone or with very insecure, unattractive women. Good luck though.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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