"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Should I apologize a former lover for pumping and dumping? (I have no feelings for her)

Lotus Effect

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Hi guys.

As the title says, should I do it?

backstory
Met this chick Adri in early February, and kept a mini relationship with her up until end of March.

in the beginning I kind displayed some affection towards her, strung her along for the time being, but then I’ve begun to lose attraction, met a new chick Dydy and pretty much vanished from the other chick.

D!ck move, that I wouldn’t want that someone did to me. She chased me, and eventually I said we had nothing, so that’s why it ended like that. Even more cruel.

Anyway. Since karma is a b!tch, Dydy did the exact same thing to me, which made me realize how much of jerk I was to Adri.

I know it’s not going to solve anything for adri, since it’s been to long now. But I know I’ve hurt the chick, and going through pain opened my eyes of how disrespectful with someone other feelings I was.

Definitelly the kind of guy that I would chase and beat down if it some lame thing like that to my sister for example

key points:
-I don’t have any intentions in getting this girl again
-I live in Portugal now, and she is Brazil so there’s no hope for her as well
-And I have zero feelings and zero attraction for her

thanks guys!
cheers
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Let bygones be bygones
 

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in the beginning I kind displayed some affection towards her, strung her along for the time being, but then I’ve begun to lose attraction, met a new chick Dydy and pretty much vanished from the other chick.
Did you know you were stringing her along when you were stringing her along?

Did you know that it was only short term and you were purposely and consciously leading her to think it was long term?

Or were you more just kind of playing it by ear and hoping for the best?
 

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Get some testosterone. Stop thinking like a woman. There is nothing to apologize for, except to yourself for thinking like this.
 

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No. It's low value talk and serves zero purpose and decrease your value in her eyes as less masculine.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Hi guys.

As the title says, should I do it?

backstory
Met this chick Adri in early February, and kept a mini relationship with her up until end of March.

in the beginning I kind displayed some affection towards her, strung her along for the time being, but then I’ve begun to lose attraction, met a new chick Dydy and pretty much vanished from the other chick.

D!ck move, that I wouldn’t want that someone did to me. She chased me, and eventually I said we had nothing, so that’s why it ended like that. Even more cruel.

Anyway. Since karma is a b!tch, Dydy did the exact same thing to me, which made me realize how much of jerk I was to Adri.

I know it’s not going to solve anything for adri, since it’s been to long now. But I know I’ve hurt the chick, and going through pain opened my eyes of how disrespectful with someone other feelings I was.

Definitelly the kind of guy that I would chase and beat down if it some lame thing like that to my sister for example

key points:
-I don’t have any intentions in getting this girl again
-I live in Portugal now, and she is Brazil so there’s no hope for her as well
-And I have zero feelings and zero attraction for her

thanks guys!
cheers
If you want to apologize to clear your conscious I don't see anything wrong with that, I think people don't realize how sometimes these "Tactics" and "Techniques" people utilize can also hurt other people that they are being used on. One thing @Slickster would always talk about in the past is to transcend Good or bad and rise above the negativity
 

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Lotus Effect I'm not sure if I believe in "karma" or not... but I can tell you that any time I've wronged someone, I eventually end up in the 'passenger seat' (getting a dose of my own medicine).

Some say that this "karma" thing is "payback" or punishment." If such a thing actually exists, then I'd disagree. From my own experiences, I'd say that it's an opportunity for personal growth. When I have experienced (first hand) the same offenses that I unjustly inflicted onto another, this would prompt me to self-reflect. Afterward, I not only regretted my offense , but learned and evolved from it.

Should you contact her?
It depends.
If doing so would re-open an old wound to her ...then the outcome isn't worth coming clean. However, if you weren't her first and she has good self-esteem, then go for it. I've done it and it's like a (for lack of a better word) "cleansing." You'll leave the offended feeling better about themselves and you'll feel better about yourself too.


Get some testosterone. Stop thinking like a woman. There is nothing to apologize for, except to yourself for thinking like this.
When I read responses like the above (from a "Mod" no less...if you can believe it) ... I envision BackInTheGame78's past consisting of being that fat 5th grader that failed a grade or two.
You all know the type.
He's on the elementary school playground thumping his chest among the age appropriate well adjusted 5th graders.

--- Funny thing.... this time around, I'd considered becoming a mod, but now I wonder...
If this is SoSuave's moderating example of raising the bar and providing a higher example... I'm thinking that I might need to rescind.
 
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I agree with @Black Widow Void above, it might be opening an old wound for her. Your apologizing doesn't change any of it, you didn't have feelings for her, so you can't apologize for that. What are you going to apologize to her for then, having sex with her? Nah, I'd leave it be, learn your lessons, and move on. And let her do the same.
 

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Lotus Effect I'm not sure if I believe in "karma" or not... but I can tell you that any time I've wronged someone, I eventually end up in the 'passenger seat' (getting a dose of my own medicine).

Some say that this "karma" thing is "payback" or punishment." If such a thing actually exists, then I'd disagree. From my own experiences, I'd say that it's an opportunity for personal growth. When I have experienced (first hand) the same offenses that I unjustly inflicted onto another, this would prompt me to self-reflect. Afterward, I not only regretted my offense , but learned and evolved from it.

Should you contact her?
It depends.
If doing so would re-open an old wound to her ...then the outcome isn't worth coming clean. However, if you weren't her first and she has good self-esteem, then go for it. I've done it and it's like a (for lack of a better word) "cleansing." You'll leave the offended feeling better about themselves and you'll feel better about yourself too.




When I read responses like the above (from a "Mod" no less...if you can believe it) ... I envision BackInTheGame78's past consisting of being that fat 5th grader that failed a grade or two.
You all know the type.
He's on the elementary school playground thumping his chest among the age appropriate well adjusted 5th graders.

--- Funny thing.... this time around, I'd considered becoming a mod, but now I wonder...
If this is SoSuave's moderating example of raising the bar and providing a higher example... I'm thinking that I might need to rescind.
And I envision you as being the person who people see walking into the room at a party and immediately try to sneak out without being seen so they don't have to listen to you blab about yourself for hours and hours.

There is always one at every party and seems like that is likely your role.
 

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I had a girl I went on a few dates with. Basically told her I was out unless she put out. She finally did. I fuhked her that one time and I was gone. She knew she shouldn't. I Blew her off. Several years later I saw she was getting married. I told her congrats and I always appreciated that she was a solid chic. She told me she was surprised that i reached out and very much appreciated it.

If you can right a wrong with a few words and let some one know they are a good person you should do it. It doesn't take much and might mean the world to her.

We all have hearts, show a little kindness if you can to the ones who deserve it.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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If you want to apologize to clear your conscious I don't see anything wrong with that, I think people don't realize how sometimes these "Tactics" and "Techniques" people utilize can also hurt other people that they are being used on. One thing @Slickster would always talk about in the past is to transcend Good or bad and rise above the negativity
The real question is, what exactly is he trying to accomplish with this apology? To make himself feel better (as you say, to clear his conscience) or to make her feel better?

If this was a long time ago, I doubt she gives a sh!t about his apology at this point. All he’s going to do is bring back unpleasant memories. And if he’s doing it to make himself feel better (at her expense), it’s even more lame.
 

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No one owes anyone shlt in such unserious, mostly sexually-charged, childless situations involving no long-term agenda or family involvement.

Speaking of brothers, male authority in families ended in homes long ago. Women wanted to be “liberated” from the thumb of fathers and family members who could screen men intending to pump and dump. So this is what they get. The average brother (man) is a wimp himself, likely has no woman, and wouldn’t step to a man intending to pump and dump his sister anyway.
 

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Its obvious you want to apologise, so you should. There is no need to ask mens opinion on here if thats what you FEEL like doing. Alpha Males dont ask permission lol. You do what you feel like doing and its obvious what that is.
 

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thanks for all different perspectives!

I think I won’t do anything for now. If I end up bumping into her, maybe I’ll do it. But it’s unlikely I bump into her.

I don’t know why I have to repeat myself

I don’t want nothing with the girl.

I am in another continent!

She is in Brazil im in Portugal

it was just to fix some wrong I now realized I’ve made with her

but yes. It’s risky to open some wounds on her part

and no, no attraction whatsoever
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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thanks for all different perspectives!

I think I won’t do anything for now. If I end up bumping into her, maybe I’ll do it. But it’s unlikely I bump into her.

I don’t know why I have to repeat myself

I don’t want nothing with the girl.

I am in another continent!

She is in Brazil im in Portugal

it was just to fix some wrong I now realized I’ve made with her

but yes. It’s risky to open some wounds on her part

and no, no attraction whatsoever
Let's be real...this would only be to benefit YOU. Because you feel bad about it and you want to absolve your conscious of it. Why, who knows? It's a normal part of dating someone you aren't really into. Get easy sex while looking for something better. Every guy has done it. Stop holding yourself hostage over it and let it go and move on. There isn't anything to fix.

She likely hasn't given you another thought for a long time. She doesn't need it.
 

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Advice from the old lady:

No. Do not contact.

Be a better human being going forward. People have feelings. Be kind. It is hard to reconcile being a cold hearted ass hole to a woman you’d never date with being a good man.

Best NOT to sport fvck chicks in that case. Why waste your time & effort on a girl you’d never date? Is your ego that fragile?

Rather, reserve your time for women you might actually be interested in. Now, if you’ve never had real abundance with women & never been able to get laid easily I can understand the curiosity of the conquest. But for guys who can get laid easily? It becomes an empty waste of time, particularly when said chick you don’t give a crap about actually really likes you. It’s mean to simply use someone like that and it harms others.

If you don’t want your sister or daughter treated a certain way? Refrain from treating any woman that way. Just because you can doesn’t make it a good idea.
 

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Advice from the old lady:

No. Do not contact.

Be a better human being going forward. People have feelings. Be kind. It is hard to reconcile being a cold hearted ass hole to a woman you’d never date with being a good man.

Best NOT to sport fvck chicks in that case. Why waste your time & effort on a girl you’d never date? Is your ego that fragile?

Rather, reserve your time for women you might actually be interested in. Now, if you’ve never had real abundance with women & never been able to get laid easily I can understand the curiosity of the conquest. But for guys who can get laid easily? It becomes an empty waste of time, particularly when said chick you don’t give a crap about actually really likes you. It’s mean to simply use someone like that and it harms others.

If you don’t want your sister or daughter treated a certain way? Refrain from treating any woman that way. Just because you can doesn’t make it a good idea.
Youre applying the female mindset to the situation.

Men enjoy and are perfectly capable of having sport sex with no issues and no further expectations. It's not waste of time to a man.

It's only a waste of time for a woman that is looking to acquire something more by having sex and not getting it. If a woman isn't ok with taking that chance then she shouldn't engage. Men don't look to gain something thru sex.

As long as the guy is honest it's on her if she wants to engage.

Women seem to struggle with holding themselves accountable. We have all this women's power/rights bullschit but want to remove her power to say no to sex because she might like the guy and want more when he doesn't.

Either be a modern day woman or let's go back to 1955. You cant have it both ways.
 

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Youre applying the female mindset to the situation.

Men enjoy and are perfectly capable of having sport sex with no issues and no further expectations. It's not waste of time to a man.

It's only a waste of time for a woman that is looking to acquire something more by having sex and not getting it. If a woman isn't ok with taking that chance then she shouldn't engage. Men don't look to gain something thru sex.

As long as the guy is honest it's on her if she wants to engage.

Women seem to struggle with holding themselves accountable. We have all this women's power/rights bullschit but want to remove her power to say no to sex because she might like the guy and want more when he doesn't.

Either be a modern day woman or let's go back to 1955. You cant have it both ways.
Agreed. However the OP is the one who is all worried about it.

We have no idea if the chick gives it a single thought.

Let’s be real. Lots of men come moping around here after some low interest chick blows them off. So it does cut both ways. Maybe those dudes are just pvssies (shrugs).
 

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Seriously, I give up on you guys... hahahahaha

it doesn't matter what I say, you just misinterpret it

Ill try one last time.
The chick clinged on me. She told me'propose to me'. 'I love you'.

And no, I was not an a hole on purpose. I told her I didnt want anything, but my actions by consistently dating her made her belive otherwise.
So I know I hurt her.

The thing about my sister was an example. Jesus. I know english is not my main language, but cmon, it cant be that hard to understand.

And yes, it is more about me than it is about her.

Thats why I said in my previous reply that I'll leave it as it is, make peace with myself, try and avoid stringing b!tchs along, and if I ever come across her, Ill be polite, and eventually say sorry for being a douche.

END OF STORY

That is it. It is not rocket science.

PS:
She's probably glad to be rid of him and not interested at all in getting an 'apology'.
And yes man, she does. She befriend all my friends on instagram after we ended
You don't know brazilian chicks. She's into black magic and stuff. They crazy man
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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