"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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should gurus be lined up and shot?

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hi I'm new to the community so my first post is about what i've learned so far...there are 'gurus'. Are any of them right? They all say different things, David DeAngelo, Mystery, RSD, that Thundercat lair guy, that Seb Parr/sebparr.com guy from New Zealand or whatever...are ANY worth listening to? or is it a all a crock of s&^#? I tend to think they would say anything to make money and there isn't as much talk about them on sosuave than other sites...
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I'm with you there. Their primary objective is to make money and to make money they exploiting guys' insecurities and gullibility.

Personally I learn from REAL LIFE or REAL PEOPLE. If I need help, I look to someone who is successful and observe them or ask for advice.
 

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Dude,

Some people idolise these gurus, which is wrong. The trick is to take out what works for you from each one's material and move on.

A lot of these guys lost their credibility when they started charging money for advice.
 

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Fash said:
Dude,

Some people idolise these gurus, which is wrong. The trick is to take out what works for you from each one's material and move on.

A lot of these guys lost their credibility when they started charging money for advice.
Yes and no, according to my humble opinion.

Yes, the trick is to take out what works for you from each material and move on. Personally, I love DDangelo, but there are some things like "stimulating conversation" that I only used once :whistle:. And others, I simply didn't take anything, doesn't go with me.

And, no, I don't believe they lose credibility. It's like, you're great at soccer, well, why not charge some money in teaching soccer, that way you make money doing what you love.
 

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The Truth said:
I'm with you there. Their primary objective is to make money and to make money they exploiting guys' insecurities and gullibility.
It's better than strip clubs. There's nothing wrong with a guy making a buck. The bad thing is when guys buy the stuff, read it, try it once, fail, and then denounce everything after giving up. What's worse is when they put all the blame on the 'gurus' for taking advantage of them.

I don't know if these guys think that just because they failed, everyone else who used the same information failed. It's all about accountability, or the lack of.

There's not magic pill or silver bullet. Some things work for some and not for others. Guys should consider actually trying some of the theories on their own and find what works for them.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Anybody who tries to make money is in business and in business.. morals don't apply guys. You forget to realize just because you were taught something wrong doesn't mean everybody else has that in the concience or even care they are doing something you concider wrong.

Business is business. If they CAN take advantage they WILL.

That means the second a price is put on it they will strecth the truth, and suddenly put less focus on looks etc.

Anybody else think it's funny that material for guys who SUCK WITH GIRLS will ALWAYS say looks don't matter as much as SKILL.

SEE THE CONNECTION THERE? lol.. The guys sucked cuz they were ugly so they buy something to tell them ugliness doesn't matter that much. That's taking advantage of an insecurity there and means the difference between basically their ENTIRE market. They will make MILLIONS more money just from saying SKILL matter as much as they say.. do you realize they can't even mention the alternative as they won't make a fvcking penny? WAY TO MUCH of a conincidence.

It's all business, and you guys may think your intellegent by trying to be C&F (as if you actually are in real life) mentally attractive and so on, but sex is sex.. it's physical.. it's not intellegent.. and you guys are being taken for a ride. (obviously showing your not as smart as you wish you were.. (all ugly guys wish they were smart). lol
 

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I have never paid a penny for all I have learnt.

I never intend to. Thing is....alot of people in the world are stupid....yes stupid....alot of more money than sense.

Alot will buy this sh!t. Its their choice....there money....but everything you need can be found. Mainly in yourself.

No book is going to get you girls. YOU are going to get you girls.


Sarge On!
 

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Their stuff is of different value to different people. A few (Mystery comes to mind) are "naturals" with looks who just use their own success to sucker people out of their money. Based on what I've read on the home page and what I've read myself, Swinggcat and Dating Insider (which I think now is called Seduction Insider, not a "guru," per se) are most on-point. I mention Dating Insider because of its emphasis on developing charisma and presence, which are key factors all too often overlooked. Deangelo gets into this a bit, but buries it under too much "****y and funny," which flops for a lot of people.

My thoughts? Some of them should be shot. Others not.
 

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I don't know Bonhomme a lot of guys I see try to be all charismatic and stuff get the girls laughing but are always thought of as a joke.. no problem getting friends.. but I mean if they weren't hot.. then they are always thought as a joke.

Which kind of is playing off these guys insecurities (they think.. "if I just act all charismatic everbody won't notice I'm fat or short, or ugly, or poor, or just plain average, THIS GURU TOLD ME SO after I payed him of course.")
 

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I see try to be all charismatic and stuff get the girls laughing but are always thought of as a joke..
Trying to be charismatic? Looks like you need to read Dating Insider, Bvbidd (chuckling).

What you're describing is 180 degrees away from what charisma really is. it's more about a sort of effortless poise. An air of being on top of the scene without having to try. All I know is, when I read Dating Insider, I instantly thought: "A-ha! So that's what's happening when I'm "on."
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Hey, I know what your talking about. I'm just saying I've seen ugly guys with this mindset go for girls and fail because the girl liked a better looking guy who wasn't in any mindset at all.

Uh.. I don't think we are agreeing on what charisma is then. Charisma in my opinion is friendly talkative guys.. the mindset your talking about isn't very friendly.. sounds like arrogance.

(chuckling) < lol wtf was that? You don't really talk the way you type infront of chicks do you?
 

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Bonhomme said:
Their stuff is of different value to different people. A few (Mystery comes to mind) are "naturals" with looks who just use their own success to sucker people out of their money. Based on what I've read on the home page and what I've read myself, Swinggcat and Dating Insider (which I think now is called Seduction Insider, not a "guru," per se) are most on-point. I mention Dating Insider because of its emphasis on developing charisma and presence, which are key factors all too often overlooked. Deangelo gets into this a bit, but buries it under too much "****y and funny," which flops for a lot of people.

My thoughts? Some of them should be shot. Others not.
Mystery is not a natural. Infact he was a virgin until the age of 21.
 

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Bvbidd said:
I don't know Bonhomme a lot of guys I see try to be all charismatic and stuff get the girls laughing but are always thought of as a joke.. no problem getting friends.. but I mean if they weren't hot.. then they are always thought as a joke.
If charisma isn't a part of their authentic character it's never going to work. The same thing with any of the available theories. It's like watching a bad movie, yeah the dialog may suck but if the actors suck it really shows.
 

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Mystery is not a natural. Infact he was a virgin until the age of 21.
Mystery may not be natural but he understands human behavior. That's the key to his success.
 

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Bvbidd said:
Charisma in my opinion is friendly talkative guys.. the mindset your talking about isn't very friendly.. sounds like arrogance.
Arrogance will get you laid more than negativity. Women do not equate charismatic with friendly and talkative, often the opposite.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Kore said:
hi I'm new to the community so my first post is about what i've learned so far...there are 'gurus'. Are any of them right? They all say different things, David DeAngelo, Mystery, RSD, that Thundercat lair guy, that Seb Parr/sebparr.com guy from New Zealand or whatever...are ANY worth listening to? or is it a all a crock of s&^#? I tend to think they would say anything to make money and there isn't as much talk about them on sosuave than other sites...
In my opinion alot of them do deserve the rack!

They only feed you bits and pieces of good information but the rest is fluff talk garbage. Your paying a whole lot of money on a few Gold Nuggets of useful information.
I gone through mainly David deAngelo & Ross Jeffrie materials. (paid alot for them too).
 

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Bvbidd said:
Anybody who tries to make money is in business and in business.. morals don't apply guys. You forget to realize just because you were taught something wrong doesn't mean everybody else has that in the concience or even care they are doing something you concider wrong.

Business is business. If they CAN take advantage they WILL.
Thank you! :up:

At least your willing to tell it like it is.
 

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This looks like one of the topics from the SoSuave Golden age discussion board.

We would always argue about who was right and who was wrong. A poster would ask a question and 5 or 6 PUA's would answer almost giving different answers to the same question. For example...If you ask any one of a number of pick-up guru's "How long should you wait to call after number closing?" You will get different responses. In fact one guru always calls the next day. That works for him. Three days is good for most but some pick up guru's will advise you to wait 4 or 5 days.

Guru's differ on technique all of the time. We just give the advice. It's up to you guys to decide what works best for you.

:up:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Mystery may not be natural but he understands human behavior. That's the key to his success.
So true, but this knowledge only came to him after years of field testing.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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