hi I'm new to the community so my first post is about what i've learned so far...there are 'gurus'. Are any of them right? They all say different things, David DeAngelo, Mystery, RSD, that Thundercat lair guy, that Seb Parr/sebparr.com guy from New Zealand or whatever...are ANY worth listening to? or is it a all a crock of s&^#? I tend to think they would say anything to make money and there isn't as much talk about them on sosuave than other sites...
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
should gurus be lined up and shot?
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
I'm with you there. Their primary objective is to make money and to make money they exploiting guys' insecurities and gullibility.
Personally I learn from REAL LIFE or REAL PEOPLE. If I need help, I look to someone who is successful and observe them or ask for advice.
Personally I learn from REAL LIFE or REAL PEOPLE. If I need help, I look to someone who is successful and observe them or ask for advice.
Dude,
Some people idolise these gurus, which is wrong. The trick is to take out what works for you from each one's material and move on.
A lot of these guys lost their credibility when they started charging money for advice.
Some people idolise these gurus, which is wrong. The trick is to take out what works for you from each one's material and move on.
A lot of these guys lost their credibility when they started charging money for advice.
Yes and no, according to my humble opinion.Fash said:
Yes, the trick is to take out what works for you from each material and move on. Personally, I love DDangelo, but there are some things like "stimulating conversation" that I only used once
. And others, I simply didn't take anything, doesn't go with me.And, no, I don't believe they lose credibility. It's like, you're great at soccer, well, why not charge some money in teaching soccer, that way you make money doing what you love.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
It's better than strip clubs. There's nothing wrong with a guy making a buck. The bad thing is when guys buy the stuff, read it, try it once, fail, and then denounce everything after giving up. What's worse is when they put all the blame on the 'gurus' for taking advantage of them.The Truth said:
I don't know if these guys think that just because they failed, everyone else who used the same information failed. It's all about accountability, or the lack of.
There's not magic pill or silver bullet. Some things work for some and not for others. Guys should consider actually trying some of the theories on their own and find what works for them.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Anybody who tries to make money is in business and in business.. morals don't apply guys. You forget to realize just because you were taught something wrong doesn't mean everybody else has that in the concience or even care they are doing something you concider wrong.
Business is business. If they CAN take advantage they WILL.
That means the second a price is put on it they will strecth the truth, and suddenly put less focus on looks etc.
Anybody else think it's funny that material for guys who SUCK WITH GIRLS will ALWAYS say looks don't matter as much as SKILL.
SEE THE CONNECTION THERE? lol.. The guys sucked cuz they were ugly so they buy something to tell them ugliness doesn't matter that much. That's taking advantage of an insecurity there and means the difference between basically their ENTIRE market. They will make MILLIONS more money just from saying SKILL matter as much as they say.. do you realize they can't even mention the alternative as they won't make a fvcking penny? WAY TO MUCH of a conincidence.
It's all business, and you guys may think your intellegent by trying to be C&F (as if you actually are in real life) mentally attractive and so on, but sex is sex.. it's physical.. it's not intellegent.. and you guys are being taken for a ride. (obviously showing your not as smart as you wish you were.. (all ugly guys wish they were smart). lol
Business is business. If they CAN take advantage they WILL.
That means the second a price is put on it they will strecth the truth, and suddenly put less focus on looks etc.
Anybody else think it's funny that material for guys who SUCK WITH GIRLS will ALWAYS say looks don't matter as much as SKILL.
SEE THE CONNECTION THERE? lol.. The guys sucked cuz they were ugly so they buy something to tell them ugliness doesn't matter that much. That's taking advantage of an insecurity there and means the difference between basically their ENTIRE market. They will make MILLIONS more money just from saying SKILL matter as much as they say.. do you realize they can't even mention the alternative as they won't make a fvcking penny? WAY TO MUCH of a conincidence.
It's all business, and you guys may think your intellegent by trying to be C&F (as if you actually are in real life) mentally attractive and so on, but sex is sex.. it's physical.. it's not intellegent.. and you guys are being taken for a ride. (obviously showing your not as smart as you wish you were.. (all ugly guys wish they were smart). lol
Tomatoes
Master Don Juan
I have never paid a penny for all I have learnt.
I never intend to. Thing is....alot of people in the world are stupid....yes stupid....alot of more money than sense.
Alot will buy this sh!t. Its their choice....there money....but everything you need can be found. Mainly in yourself.
No book is going to get you girls. YOU are going to get you girls.
Sarge On!
I never intend to. Thing is....alot of people in the world are stupid....yes stupid....alot of more money than sense.
Alot will buy this sh!t. Its their choice....there money....but everything you need can be found. Mainly in yourself.
No book is going to get you girls. YOU are going to get you girls.
Sarge On!
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
Their stuff is of different value to different people. A few (Mystery comes to mind) are "naturals" with looks who just use their own success to sucker people out of their money. Based on what I've read on the home page and what I've read myself, Swinggcat and Dating Insider (which I think now is called Seduction Insider, not a "guru," per se) are most on-point. I mention Dating Insider because of its emphasis on developing charisma and presence, which are key factors all too often overlooked. Deangelo gets into this a bit, but buries it under too much "****y and funny," which flops for a lot of people.
My thoughts? Some of them should be shot. Others not.
My thoughts? Some of them should be shot. Others not.
I don't know Bonhomme a lot of guys I see try to be all charismatic and stuff get the girls laughing but are always thought of as a joke.. no problem getting friends.. but I mean if they weren't hot.. then they are always thought as a joke.
Which kind of is playing off these guys insecurities (they think.. "if I just act all charismatic everbody won't notice I'm fat or short, or ugly, or poor, or just plain average, THIS GURU TOLD ME SO after I payed him of course.")
Which kind of is playing off these guys insecurities (they think.. "if I just act all charismatic everbody won't notice I'm fat or short, or ugly, or poor, or just plain average, THIS GURU TOLD ME SO after I payed him of course.")
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
Trying to be charismatic? Looks like you need to read Dating Insider, Bvbidd (chuckling).
What you're describing is 180 degrees away from what charisma really is. it's more about a sort of effortless poise. An air of being on top of the scene without having to try. All I know is, when I read Dating Insider, I instantly thought: "A-ha! So that's what's happening when I'm "on."
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Hey, I know what your talking about. I'm just saying I've seen ugly guys with this mindset go for girls and fail because the girl liked a better looking guy who wasn't in any mindset at all.
Uh.. I don't think we are agreeing on what charisma is then. Charisma in my opinion is friendly talkative guys.. the mindset your talking about isn't very friendly.. sounds like arrogance.
(chuckling) < lol wtf was that? You don't really talk the way you type infront of chicks do you?
Uh.. I don't think we are agreeing on what charisma is then. Charisma in my opinion is friendly talkative guys.. the mindset your talking about isn't very friendly.. sounds like arrogance.
(chuckling) < lol wtf was that? You don't really talk the way you type infront of chicks do you?
Shiftkey
Master Don Juan
Mystery is not a natural. Infact he was a virgin until the age of 21.Bonhomme said:
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
If charisma isn't a part of their authentic character it's never going to work. The same thing with any of the available theories. It's like watching a bad movie, yeah the dialog may suck but if the actors suck it really shows.Bvbidd said:
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Mystery may not be natural but he understands human behavior. That's the key to his success.Shiftkey said:
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
In my opinion alot of them do deserve the rack!Kore said:
They only feed you bits and pieces of good information but the rest is fluff talk garbage. Your paying a whole lot of money on a few Gold Nuggets of useful information.
I gone through mainly David deAngelo & Ross Jeffrie materials. (paid alot for them too).
This looks like one of the topics from the SoSuave Golden age discussion board.
We would always argue about who was right and who was wrong. A poster would ask a question and 5 or 6 PUA's would answer almost giving different answers to the same question. For example...If you ask any one of a number of pick-up guru's "How long should you wait to call after number closing?" You will get different responses. In fact one guru always calls the next day. That works for him. Three days is good for most but some pick up guru's will advise you to wait 4 or 5 days.
Guru's differ on technique all of the time. We just give the advice. It's up to you guys to decide what works best for you.
We would always argue about who was right and who was wrong. A poster would ask a question and 5 or 6 PUA's would answer almost giving different answers to the same question. For example...If you ask any one of a number of pick-up guru's "How long should you wait to call after number closing?" You will get different responses. In fact one guru always calls the next day. That works for him. Three days is good for most but some pick up guru's will advise you to wait 4 or 5 days.
Guru's differ on technique all of the time. We just give the advice. It's up to you guys to decide what works best for you.
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not all gurus are just telling you stupid tricks like david deangelo and all that chit
there is this dude, Tariq "King Flex" Nasheed, well i bought his book "the mack within" is pure knowledge for real this guy will tell you real GAME not stupid chit like DD
http://www.amazon.com/Mack-Within-T...ef=sr_1_6/103-9387967-3154240?ie=UTF8&s=books
"THE GAME IS TO BE SOLD NOT TOLD"
there is this dude, Tariq "King Flex" Nasheed, well i bought his book "the mack within" is pure knowledge for real this guy will tell you real GAME not stupid chit like DD
http://www.amazon.com/Mack-Within-T...ef=sr_1_6/103-9387967-3154240?ie=UTF8&s=books
"THE GAME IS TO BE SOLD NOT TOLD"
Shiftkey
Master Don Juan
So true, but this knowledge only came to him after years of field testing.Francisco d'Anconia said:
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.