"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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should gurus be lined up and shot?

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Shiftkey said:
So true, but this knowledge only came to him after years of field testing.
Oh absolutely, he just didn't come up with his 'method.' What I liked about him was that he took in everything (he studied everyone). He didn't just come up with a "this is the be all and end all to picking up women." He was smart enough to study everything, try some things out in the field, enhance them and then came up with something very viable. He put forth the necessary time and effort to perfect his craft. He treats it as a science and not a parlor trick.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Guru's differ on technique all of the time. We just give the advice. It's up to you guys to decide what works best for you.
That's as good a take as any I've seen on this.

Whether or not Mystery's a "natural," I've seen pics of him, and if he couldn't get laid in a goth scene with his looks and style he'd have awfully bad game. I'd listen to an old, ugly-ass guru who gets lots of action, rather than someone who can make it on looks and style. Not to say he has nothing valid to say. But I'd want to throttle him if I paid $1000 just to watch him work gals in a bar.

Can't say I talk to gals (or anybody, for that matter) as I type. But I chuckle a hell of a lot more than laugh out loud at posts, that's for sure.
 

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Style (Neil Strauss) and Tyler Durden aren't the best looking guys and they've been successful with MM.
 

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Gurus make naturalistic observations and share iformation. Sometimes they see some kind of literature and test a hypothesis. Most seem to be aware and follow the work of others, and there is a great amount of carryover in what is taught. This information is then internally shared, tested, etc and eventually becomes public. Additionally, millions of men in the world do the same and sometimes publish their findings or give info to other people who publish their ideas.

All of this is extremely subject to a huge number of biases. However, the beauty is a healthy dose of skeptisism is bound to be present in the masses. The gurus who give total crap advise will likely be eventually washed out. Take Ross Jefferies for exampple who now only comes up as the butt-end of jokes at this point.

Many of the ideas I got from Deagnelo, Mystery, Swinggcat, Shark, TD, etc. were very good. The beautiful thing is you can test their ideas for yourself, see if you're able to replicate positive results other's have seen, and make adjustments as needed. You are not forced to use anything.
 

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Style (Neil Strauss) and Tyler Durden aren't the best looking guys and they've been successful with MM.
This should be linked to the "Looks is the most important thing" thread.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Actually, the thread said looks are EVERYTHING. :rolleyes:

Like everywomanshero said, there are plenty of opportunities to "sample the goods" before deciding if something might be worth the money for you.
 

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Actually, the thread said looks are EVERYTHING. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the correction. I've been trying not to pay too much attention to it.
 

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I never intend to. Thing is....alot of people in the world are stupid....yes stupid....alot of more money than sense.

Not quite Tomatoes. Stupid No, Lazy YES YES YES!!! Alot of people are just to lazy or have a million excuses why they can't do it themselves. Think about it this way:

There are millions of students worldwide that are attending university for thousands of dollars for what they can get at the library for free! Depends on how you want to look at it really. Are you a do it yourself'er or are you a guy who pays others to read the material and teach you? Personally I'd rather goto the library but thats just me.

That said do you watch adventures on TV or live them in real life? How many people are out exploring the universe as opposed to those who are exploring the Discovery channel. :)
Just because people want CONVENIENCE doesn't make them stupid. It actually tells me that their smarter than some people on this forum.

Mostly because your taking advice from guys who aren't tested and who probably aren't even successful. KBJ comes to mind.

The good thing is though, even if people buy the materials, only the people that want to succeed will succeed.
 

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Just because people want CONVENIENCE doesn't make them stupid. It actually tells me that their smarter than some people on this forum.

Mostly because your taking advice from guys who aren't tested and who probably aren't even successful. KBJ comes to mind.

The good thing is though, even if people buy the materials, only the people that want to succeed will succeed.

Doesn't your third sentence contradict your first sentence?

The people who want to succeed aren't the ones who take the convenient way out.

Guru's are self-proclaimed for the most part. What kind of qualifications does it actually take to be a guru? I know a ton of great looking girls right now and club managers, if I wanted to I could just pay them off to pretend I was running a spontaneous workshop. At thousands of dollars a head I could make a killing bull5hiting people. Unfortunately I have morals.

Sometimes in life things are best learned through experience, picking up girls is one of those things. No guru can substitute for experience, but pickup forums can provide feedback and suggestions for experiences.
 
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