"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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She flaked on me twice... is it my turn now?

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Date went quite well.

Dinner was very engaging. We always have plenty to talk about. My C+F has gotten really good (without seeming like I'm trying too hard). I also made sure to kino her a bit.

The movie was even better. Shrek 4 is a great date movie BTW. Fun and light-hearted and the whole plot is about the two main characters having a magical kiss. Way more kino during the film.

I took note of her body language and looked for IOIs, green lights all-around. And yes, I kiss closed.
 

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Good for you man. Live and learn, its the only way. Now to take it to the next level....
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Date went quite well.

Dinner was very engaging. We always have plenty to talk about. My C+F has gotten really good (without seeming like I'm trying too hard). I also made sure to kino her a bit.

The movie was even better. Shrek 4 is a great date movie BTW. Fun and light-hearted and the whole plot is about the two main characters having a magical kiss. Way more kino during the film.

I took note of her body language and looked for IOIs, green lights all-around. And yes, I kiss closed.
Haha, funny how the naysayers dissapear pretty quickly. I'm just gonna take this one from here. But thanks everybody for the feedback (good or bad)
 

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I guess you can continue the celebration dance. "several dates over a course of a couple of years, and now you got the ultimate... kiss close".

He!! you are on the fast track now. Maybe in a year or two, you can grab her breast... under the sweater!!
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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tsmith2334 said:
Date went quite well.

Dinner was very engaging. We always have plenty to talk about. My C+F has gotten really good (without seeming like I'm trying too hard). I also made sure to kino her a bit.

The movie was even better. Shrek 4 is a great date movie BTW. Fun and light-hearted and the whole plot is about the two main characters having a magical kiss. Way more kino during the film.

I took note of her body language and looked for IOIs, green lights all-around. And yes, I kiss closed.

How much money did you spend on this date? Not hating at all, just a simple question.
 

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How much money did you spend on this date? Not hating at all, just a simple question.
$0

Bought dinner using a gift car I got for Christmas (specific to the restaurant, not a cash gift card) and our theater does Free Ticket Tuesday if you subscribe to a certain cable company (hence setting the date up for Tuesday). Being that the movie was in 3D we had to pay $3.50 extra for the glasses, which she paid for (since I "treated" dinner on the gift card).

Altogether it would have been under $40, but it ended up costing me $0 (which she knew going in) and her $7.
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Date went quite well.

Dinner was very engaging. We always have plenty to talk about. My C+F has gotten really good (without seeming like I'm trying too hard). I also made sure to kino her a bit.

The movie was even better. Shrek 4 is a great date movie BTW. Fun and light-hearted and the whole plot is about the two main characters having a magical kiss. Way more kino during the film.

I took note of her body language and looked for IOIs, green lights all-around. And yes, I kiss closed.
Ok,you went out on a date with her and it went well.


So now what? I remember somewhere in an earlier post of yours where you said something about "turning it into something more".


What did you mean by that? Having sex? Becoming boyfriend and girlfriend? Getting engaged? I always thought it was odd of how you planned on going from trying to decide whether or not to flake on this girl,to trying to "make something more" with her just like that,but whatever man.




Well you got your date and she didn't flake. Cool :cool:.



Did the subject of her flaking (or cancelling) on you the two previous times ever come up?
 
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$0

Bought dinner using a gift car I got for Christmas (specific to the restaurant, not a cash gift card) and our theater does Free Ticket Tuesday if you subscribe to a certain cable company (hence setting the date up for Tuesday). Being that the movie was in 3D we had to pay $3.50 extra for the glasses, which she paid for (since I "treated" dinner on the gift card).

Altogether it would have been under $40, but it ended up costing me $0 (which she knew going in) and her $7.

EXCELLENT!

Just want I wanted to hear!!

And keep in mind for future reference, the only $$ you need to ever spend on this girl would be for wine to get her tipsy, and for condoms to keep yourself protected........otherwise, as long as you are fun, sexual, and dominant, you should be able to seduce her into fvcking in no time!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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You better start savin up for a condom. At the breakneck speed you are movin... in 2 or 3 short years you are gonna need it! :crackup:
 

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You better start savin up for a condom. At the breakneck speed you are movin... in 2 or 3 short years you are gonna need it! :crackup:
Nothing but bullies and negativity on here, I swear. Weren't you the same person swearing up and down I wouldn't kiss close?

Can I ask why you feel the need to make such comments? May I ask what you're try to accomplish? Is it because you're 54 and bitter?

I feel bad that you feel the need to belittle others due to your own insecurities.
 

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Haha, funny how the naysayers dissapear pretty quickly. I'm just gonna take this one from here. But thanks everybody for the feedback (good or bad)
LOL. It's more like "You can lead a horse to water..."

:D

We've told you. You've refused to listen. There's not much we can add, is there? ;)
 

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LOL. It's more like "You can lead a horse to water..."

:D

We've told you. You've refused to listen. There's not much we can add, is there? ;)
Do you not read?

The naysayers said there was no chance she'd show up, let alone be interested or that I could close.

They were wrong on all fronts.
 

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What exactly was your goal here? To get a kiss so you can come back here and be a diva about it? Who's being negative?

Sh*t often times doesn't work out in real life the way SS says it will. I think we all realize that. That being said, you got a kiss. You didn't 'win' something, and you're better off without that mentality, trust me. Whoever shall exalt himself, shall be humbled, YO.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So you proved them wrong. Congrats.

You're still missing the bigger picture. But, like I said, I'll just go ahead and wish you good luck man!
 

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Forty0ztoFreedom said:
That being said, you got a kiss. You didn't 'win' something, and you're better off without that mentality, trust me. Whoever shall exalt himself, shall be humbled, YO.
Damn dude, fair point. Interesting stuff. Repped.
 

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Show me where I said this:
I swear. Weren't you the same person swearing up and down I wouldn't kiss close?

Now this is what I said:
You're boring her to death. moving too slow. What part of: "make the hoe say no", don't you understand??

You dont really listen attentively. I was playfully trying to lite a fire under you a$$. You are moving too slow, and she is gonna see you as a nice guy / friend.

I'm not bitter at all bro, just teasing a little.
 

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I was playfully trying to lite a fire under you a$$. You are moving too slow, and she is gonna see you as a nice guy / friend.
Thanks man, I appreciate it. Repped.

That said, I've spent way too much time on what should just be considered a standard date.

Right now my only goal is to spin plates (whether it's her or someone else) and to have fun. I really can't argue with anyone who says I'm over-thinking it, so this is the last you'll hear from me on this particular girl.

If I can't get my mentality where it needs to be the women (and happiness) won't follow.

So it works out with her, great. If not, on to the next one.

Thanks everyone for your input, and Joe Stud thanks for the kick in the ass.

Smith
 

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You are young yet, my friend Smitty... you will do fine. Moving in the right direction. God Bless.

BTW... i already repped you for the story, details, and results reporting :)
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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