"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Rate this guys face plz

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Dude has 3 posts running asking us to rate dudes...

I rather rate women..even tho thats childish AF , its better than this ..
Why? What’s the problem with rating dudes looks..
We are on a dating discussion forum here.
Looks may account for 90% of women’s selection of men, for all we know.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I'm 5'8" and have an "X" physique. Imagine NFL linebacker. Probably the closest comparison and something I have been told I resemble since I was 12 or 13 because of my broad shoulders.
Thanks. I’m gonna have to make a cheat sheet on the members here to add context to their posts.

Is there such a thread with this info already?? I have seen a memeber location thread but not a stats one.

For example, I’ve gathered that Venom is possibly 6’5 tall and 200lbs + of muscle.
Which adds a lot of context to his Mode One strategy to me. I’m guessing he is a black dude also perhaps
 

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Why do you care so much about this?
I had to think about this question.
Because looks obvs matter. A LOT. For a guy to be a Don Juan type /be successful with women.
(im not talking just getting into one relationship as success here)

and game/personality very much Less so.
Like a very small slice of the pie imo.
Possibly only 10% factor of getting laid.

The major emphasis should be on Looksmaxxing.
I think Game strategies and personality are very much over discussed here. And it’s confusing not helpful.

that’s why I guess.
 

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Skull, jaw, hair, chin etc are a 7/10 = if his height is 175cm+. The 'bug' eyes may bring him down to a 6.
lol @ the bug eyes.
They are great eyes. V much heavy ‘Come to bed ‘ eyes or wicked thoughts kinda eyes.
That’s a better rating tho. I think him a solid 8 at least.
Cute/youthful/babyfaced guys generally slay IRL afaics. Women love that boyish youthful look and definitely love sexy eyes . 100%

the squinty Richard Gere eyes especially.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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lol @ the bug eyes.
They are great eyes. V much heavy ‘Come to bed ‘ eyes or wicked thoughts kinda eyes.
That’s a better rating tho. I think him a solid 8 at least.
Cute/youthful/babyfaced guys generally slay IRL afaics. Women love that boyish youthful look and definitely love sexy eyes . 100%

the squinty Richard Gere eyes especially.
Can you rate me via PM?
 

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I offer a unique perspective
You’re an intensely hypergamous and attractive woman. You’ve gone for, and because of your looks, have succeeded in getting alpha males, which is how it works. This is the opposite of unique.

the world needs more solid men.
Real meaning: “The world needs more high-status and attractive men.”
 

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You’re an intensely hypergamous and attractive woman. You’ve gone for, and because of your looks, have succeeded in getting alpha males, which is how it works. This is the opposite of unique.



Real meaning: “The world needs more high-status and attractive men.”
lmao :D:lol:
 

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You’re an intensely hypergamous and attractive woman. You’ve gone for, and because of your looks, have succeeded in getting alpha males, which is how it works. This is the opposite of unique.



Real meaning: “The world needs more high-status and attractive men.”

and of course our mutual friend is exaggerating the smv ratings listed . Obviously.
as what would such a perosn be doing on such a forum..:rolleyes:
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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You are not having that issue my dear. So you are not as much of a standout as you think. Do you get laid at times? Sure. But you are WAY to weird about looks. Why? Because you don't have top tier looks. This is the rationale behind your obsession over looks. That is obvious AF.

Why wouldn't I be here? I offer a unique perspective and think the world needs more solid men.
lmao.
How do you know how much I get laid?
And how is putting up pictures of handsome men and rating them on a men’s pickup forum “weird “ .
I would think it’s HIGHLY relevant
And I notice it’s very much shied away from here for some bizarre reason.
As if Face doesn’t do almost all of the heavy lifting of attraction . Like you just reconfirmed with your example.

the opposite is weird AF in my world.
The exact ratings is the bit that is up for much discussion. As dudes here seem to live in a parallel universe where Dua Lipas partner , a former fashion model and actor is only a 7/10 in smv ( LMAO) :rofl::rofl::rolleyes::rolleyes: yeah surrrrre he is. Riiiight.

strip the celebrity, money and status away , a guy like Callum Turner STILL gets women that look like Dua Lipa. As he is tall dark and very handsome.
He’s at least a 9/10.
And 10/10 men like David Ghandy are so rare as to be outliers basically. So may as well exclude them.
So for all intents and purposes Turner is top tier.
He’s 6’2 and here he looks like the dictionary definition of a “Chad”. Lmao.

ONE woman saying “oh no he’s not type” means nothing. Some women will remark that about Clooney and Pitt ffs:rolleyes:
It means less than nothing actually.
it ain’t worth spit babe
If you catch my drift ..;):p:p:p
That’s about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit.

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a ‘nothing special ‘ guy , yesterday.
Feeling sorry for himself he only gets to Fvck chicks that look like Dua Lipa.
And not BE :cry::cry::cry:
 
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I wouldn't put much stock into a hetero man's rating of other men. It would be like asking a vegan what the best cut of steak is.

I'd imagine even gay men have different taste than women do in regards to judging male attractiveness. We may attempt to judge objectively but I don't believe it's possible. Ego, bias, and projection intefere with everything, no matter how much people want to pretend otherwise.

Ultimately, men decide what qualities are attractive in women and women decide what qualities are attractive in men. In either case they do not get to decide for themselves and no amount of insistence will change it.

Obviously there is such a thing as objective beauty, but the subjective side is still a factor, which is why some women will look at a guy that other men would rate as an 8/10 and she will call him "average".
 
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I think the reason so many PUA or RP guys study guys’ looks is because they are looking for common features among men that women find attractive. And STEM (and/or autistic) guys love to look for patterns lol.

For example, as a straight guy, I don’t personally give a shyte about hunter eyes on a dude. Not sure why it makes much difference. But having seeing enough photos or real life examples of guys with hunter eyes (for example) that women rate as attractive, well that’s a pattern.

That’s how straight guys rate other guys. They judge them against commonly rated attractive features. The actual accuracy of this method is a different debate lol.

Straight women do this too, to a lesser extent. “You’ll love my friend. She has long hair and big boobs.” She knows her friend has certain commonly attractive features.
 

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For example, as a straight guy, I don’t personally give a shyte about hunter eyes on a dude. Not sure why it makes much difference. But having seeing enough photos or real life examples of guys with hunter eyes (for example) that women rate as attractive, well that’s a pattern.
To be fair, I do not really understand all this focus in studying male hotness by other men

even if you find out that you need X, Y and Z to become a the biggest chad that ever lived, how this will help you?

Besides going emotional on forums

to be fair I think you have a big gay vibe if you put so much effort in studying male attractiveness. Which is ok, but maybe the topic should not be in the context of women
 

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To be fair, I do not really understand all this focus in studying male hotness by other men

even if you find out that you need X, Y and Z to become a the biggest chad that ever lived, how this will help you?

Besides going emotional on forums
Agreed. Most are features you couldn’t change anyway (without surgery).

It’s probably ok to look at hairstyles, beards, fashion, etc that are changeable. But not good to dwell on it.

Some of these guys study subtle facial dimensions which is bordering on extreme.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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You’re an intensely hypergamous and attractive woman. You’ve gone for, and because of your looks, have succeeded in getting alpha males, which is how it works.
Let's correct something. The "alpha" guys went for me. Competed for me. All I had to do was say yes and be who I am. I don't "go after" men. Never needed to.

Intensely attractive woman, yes. Hypergamous? Don't make me laugh. I'm self made and did not need to rely on looks to build what I have. Brains anyone?? If anything at times my looks were a liability precisely because people assumed I used looks to achieve. Therefore I was often underestimated in business, which naturally gave me an advantage.

You’re an intensely hypergamous and attractive woman. You’ve gone for, and because of your looks, have succeeded in getting alpha males, which is how it works. This is the opposite of unique.



Real meaning: “The world needs more high-status and attractive men.”
I out earned both my husbands when I met them, and as is well known around here after my first husband got screwed over by his business partner at the nightclub, I was the sole breadwinner for my family of 5 for 12 years and had my children in private faith based schools, we lived in an expensive area, and I provided a well-to-do lifestyle. Looking back, I should have perhaps been "hypergamous" but that is not how I was raised. I married for actual attraction, desire & love. And both husbands made/make six figures, but I never needed a man for resources along the way. Still don't in fact.

I built what I have by myself based on intelligence and moxy. I didn't need to rely on looks. I don't relate frankly to women who operate that way......I had a mentor along the way who was a businessman & friend of my father, but never financial help of any kind beyond my bachelor's degree in a science (STEM field), which my father paid for. Now I am paying for undergrad for my daughters, and I have bought each of my children a first car, and I still lead a nice life. But no man provided that. Hypergamous my ass, lol.

Did I have lucky genetics? Yes. Both in way of looks and figure (all natural without alteration except braces as a teen)....But poor lifestyle choices can often erase fourtunate genetics. Just look at all the obese people walking around who could be attractive if they controlled their weight. As you get older lifestyle choices like eating properly and exercising outweigh genetics. It becomes obvious who looks after themselves and who doesn't.

And yes, beautiful women are selecting from top tier men. Shocker, I know, and I got to pick from amongst very elite level handsome men and desirable men, no doubt. But did I pick the richest, most famous? Nope. I could have....life would have been different and perhaps easier, but marrying uber rich wasn't a priority to me.

Sorry to blow your theory.

And yes, there do need to be more solid men in this world. Men with ambition, self respect, leadership skills and character. You bet.

What is curious to me is why the need to poke holes in my life? If you met me for real you'd clam up quickly. You are happliy married right?

My perspective is that of the type woman many/most men around here are seeking for sex/LTR/marriage in fact. But y'all treat me like I'm full or crap or act jealous/envious that someone like me is very real, as advertised, and some feel the need to insult/attack.

For the guys with that attitude? No wonder you stink with women! Men like that are invisible to beautiful sought after women. Don't be bitter. Be better. That is the only way to create the reality you say you want.

I offer a POV from that "priviledged" world. Pay attention because I tell it like it is.
 
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lmao.
How do you know how much I get laid?
And how is putting up pictures of handsome men and rating them on a men’s pickup forum “weird “ .
I would think it’s HIGHLY relevant
And I notice it’s very much shied away from here for some bizarre reason.
As if Face doesn’t do almost all of the heavy lifting of attraction . Like you just reconfirmed with your example.

the opposite is weird AF in my world.
The exact ratings is the bit that is up for much discussion. As dudes here seem to live in a parallel universe where Dua Lipas partner , a former fashion model and actor is only a 7/10 in smv ( LMAO) :rofl::rofl::rolleyes::rolleyes: yeah surrrrre he is. Riiiight.

strip the celebrity, money and status away , a guy like Callum Turner STILL gets women that look like Dua Lipa. As he is tall dark and very handsome.
He’s at least a 9/10.
And 10/10 men like David Ghandy are so rare as to be outliers basically. So may as well exclude them.
So for all intents and purposes Turner is top tier.
He’s 6’2 and here he looks like the dictionary definition of a “Chad”. Lmao.

ONE woman saying “oh no he’s not type” means nothing. Some women will remark that about Clooney and Pitt ffs:rolleyes:
It means less than nothing actually.
it ain’t worth spit babe
If you catch my drift ..;):p:p:p
That’s about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit.

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a ‘nothing special ‘ guy , yesterday.
Feeling sorry for himself he only gets to Fvck chicks that look like Dua Lipa.
And not BE :cry::cry::cry:
Nope. Nothing special in my book.

My husband thinks Cindy Crawford was never anything special.

He thought Christy Brinkley and Claudia Shiffer were HOT.

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

Only for all of human existence my dear.
 

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lmao.
How do you know how much I get laid?
And how is putting up pictures of handsome men and rating them on a men’s pickup forum “weird “ .
I would think it’s HIGHLY relevant
And I notice it’s very much shied away from here for some bizarre reason.
As if Face doesn’t do almost all of the heavy lifting of attraction . Like you just reconfirmed with your example.

the opposite is weird AF in my world.
The exact ratings is the bit that is up for much discussion. As dudes here seem to live in a parallel universe where Dua Lipas partner , a former fashion model and actor is only a 7/10 in smv ( LMAO) :rofl::rofl::rolleyes::rolleyes: yeah surrrrre he is. Riiiight.

strip the celebrity, money and status away , a guy like Callum Turner STILL gets women that look like Dua Lipa. As he is tall dark and very handsome.
He’s at least a 9/10.
And 10/10 men like David Ghandy are so rare as to be outliers basically. So may as well exclude them.
So for all intents and purposes Turner is top tier.
He’s 6’2 and here he looks like the dictionary definition of a “Chad”. Lmao.

ONE woman saying “oh no he’s not type” means nothing. Some women will remark that about Clooney and Pitt ffs:rolleyes:
It means less than nothing actually.
it ain’t worth spit babe
If you catch my drift ..;):p:p:p
That’s about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit.

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a ‘nothing special ‘ guy , yesterday.
Feeling sorry for himself he only gets to Fvck chicks that look like Dua Lipa.
And not BE :cry::cry::cry:
Callum turner has floppy ears and looks like dumbo

He is good looking, but not at the level you are implying. Plenty of dudes way better looking than him

At this point you are just trolling :)
 

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Callum turner has floppy ears and looks like dumbo

He is good looking, but not at the level you are implying. Plenty of dudes way better looking than him

At this point you are just trolling :)
Absolute Bollocks
You cannot argue with me that he is not a Chad.
So don’t even bother trying dude
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you guys are coping . Hard.
“Floppy ears bro” LMFAO here
To quote lil Newt from the movie Aliens
“ it won’t make any difference”:cry:
 

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Let's correct something. The "alpha" guys went for me. Competed for me. All I had to do was say yes and be who I am. I don't "go after" men. Never needed to.

Intensely attractive woman, yes. Hypergamous? Don't make me laugh. I'm self made and did not need to rely on looks to build what I have. Brains anyone?? If anything at times my looks were a liability precisely because people assumed I used looks to achieve. Therefore I was often underestimated in business, which naturally gave me an advantage.



I out earned both my husbands when I met them, and as is well known around here after my first husband got screwed over by his business partner at the nightclub, I was the sole breadwinner for my family of 5 for 12 years and had my children in private faith based schools, we lived in an expensive area, and I provided a well-to-do lifestyle. Looking back, I should have perhaps been "hypergamous" but that is not how I was raised. I married for actual attraction, desire & love. And both husbands made/make six figures, but I never needed a man for resources along the way. Still don't in fact.

I built what I have by myself based on intelligence and moxy. I didn't need to rely on looks. I don't relate frankly to women who operate that way......I had a mentor along the way who was a businessman & friend of my father, but never financial help of any kind beyond my bachelor's degree in a science (STEM field), which my father paid for. Now I am paying for undergrad for my daughters, and I have bought each of my children a first car, and I still lead a nice life. But no man provided that. Hypergamous my ass, lol.

Did I have lucky genetics? Yes. Both in way of looks and figure (all natural without alteration except braces as a teen)....But poor lifestyle choices can often erase fourtunate genetics. Just look at all the obese people walking around who could be attractive if they controlled their weight. As you get older lifestyle choices like eating properly and exercising outweigh genetics. It becomes obvious who looks after themselves and who doesn't.

And yes, beautiful women are selecting from top tier men. Shocker, I know, and I got to pick from amongst very elite level handsome men and desirable men, no doubt. But did I pick the richest, most famous? Nope. I could have....life would have been different and perhaps easier, but marrying uber rich wasn't a priority to me.

Sorry to blow your theory.

And yes, there do need to be more solid men in this world. Men with ambition, self respect, leadership skills and character. You bet.

What is curious to me is why the need to poke holes in my life? If you met me for real you'd clam up quickly. You are happliy married right?

My perspective is that of the type woman many/most men around here are seeking for sex/LTR/marriage in fact. But y'all treat me like I'm full or crap or act jealous/envious that someone like me is very real, as advertised, and some feel the need to insult/attack.

For the guys with that attitude? No wonder you stink with women! Men like that are invisible to beautiful sought after women. Don't be bitter. Be better. That is the only way to create the reality you say you want.

I offer a POV from that "priviledged" world. Pay attention because I tell it like it is.
Post filled with assumptions, strawmanning, and goal post moving.

I don't have much energy for a long post right now, but I will say for now, I never poked holes in your life, nor have I said you are full of crap.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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