Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
My advice to you is STAY AWAY from girls with bipolar disorder. It's not worth the grief. You can usually see the sign VERY quickly. One girl I dated took a few months. I guess they wait until there's a certain comfort level because they remove the curtain. She'd start arguments for no reason, things would set her into "hate mode" easily. For example if she saw something on TV that she didn't like or that she found offensive it would set her into a *****y mood for the rest of the night. It's not worth in bro.usscrum said:when did she start to show signs of the "hate" stage, and how long into your relationship did you determine she had BPD? how was the relationship like initially?
I'm referring to borderline personality disorder.kayman79 said:My advice to you is STAY AWAY from girls with bipolar disorder. It's not worth the grief. You can usually see the sign VERY quickly. One girl I dated took a few months. I guess they wait until there's a certain comfort level because they remove the curtain. She'd start arguments for no reason, things would set her into "hate mode" easily. For example if she saw something on TV that she didn't like or that she found offensive it would set her into a *****y mood for the rest of the night. It's not worth in bro.
I forgot to mention that it basically made her a sexually eradic. Sometimes she'd have a healthy sexual appetite and sometimes she wouldn't let you touch her for WEEKS.
It sounds very familiar. I think at this point you shouldn't be looking for "hate stage" because there are enough signs, lies and manipulations that have already been presented to you on what this girl is capable of and what she is going to do. Make no mistakes about it, this cycle is going to repeat itself with you.usscrum said:For those of you who have dealt with BPD, does this sound familiar at all?
You are eventually going to find yourself in either of her "obsessive creepers" or "*******s" catagories based on how you handle yourself starting today. The so called obsessive creepers are the guys she totally manipulated and had strong oneitis for her but alas she dumped/cheated on them with the "*******s" who end up dumping her short while afterwards (after they discover how fvcked up she really is).usscrum said:All her exes are either obsessive creepers or *******s. According to her, they either ended up breaking her heart for no reason or becoming too infatuated with her, leading to her dumping them. She has told me that i am unlike every guy she's ever dated because I am neither.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
i understand man, but BPD isn't like the flu or something. its a serious mental disorder. i'm not going to assume that my girl is BPD just because our relationship is going very well, even though she lied about how many guys she's been with. she could just be your typical insecure girl with daddy issues who has typically been attracted to various types of douchebags. doesn't automatically mean she is borderline.neil27264 said:I took me some time to realise the woman i was seeing had borderline personallity disorder. Please please please listen, she will screw your head up too, she does not have any capacity to care about you, please get the hell away now, before it is too late.
usscrum said:i understand man, but BPD isn't like the flu or something. its a serious mental disorder. i'm not going to assume that my girl is BPD just because our relationship is going very well, even though she lied about how many guys she's been with. she could just be your typical insecure girl with daddy issues who has typically been attracted to various types of douchebags. doesn't automatically mean she is borderline.
the reason i made this thread is so i could keep my eye out for any traits or behaviors that may change or pop up over the next couple months. i'm confident enough to believe that i will be able to drop her like a bad habit if i begin to truly suspect she may have some kind of problem.
She's had two or three relationships. One sounds pretty textbook BPD. It was serious for 8 years, he supposedly treated her beyond terribly. The other was a guy who wanted her once when she broke up with the main one, and she said she loved him, but she never slept with him and went back to the main one and told him not to call her. But she obviously respects him and thinks well of him. I took that as a good sign.1. If you hear her history as one of stormy relationships.(of course she will always portary herself as victim)
She was abandoned by the 8 year guy. She claims she's been expecting it for years, and she never tried to find him again. She doesn't even know where he lives.2, Past relationships in which she was fawned over or adored by a man but eventually abandoned by him ( this is the outworking of HER compulsive need to destroy relationships BEFORE they destroy her)
Hmm, not really.3. Hypervigilance - a generalized fear of all things -especially men.
Yeah there has been some of this. She doesn't talk about it much. But she's told me a little. She's alluded to cheating at times when her ex left her (he'd always come back.) I don't know if it was technically cheating, or just felt like cheating to her since she loved him.4. Promiscuity or infidelity by her within her previous relationships.( she will justify these )
Pretty much. At least my read as a conservative sort of guy. I declined at the time and she began to loose interest. This was before I really consciously decided to abandon my AFC ways, so I was a bit nutty for her.5. She acts initially like the girl next door - all things sweet and nice. Then she rapidly offers herself sexually to create a bond with you.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
Yes, that is typically BPD behavior and it gets worse until you are in a bewidered bloodied mess.Onlyliveonce said:You see, they attach themselves to you by building up your ego. You think they are great. Once they know your guard is down and you trust them, they strike. A cruel word, snide remark, planting seeds of doubt (Is she fvcking my friend?) it is all designed to take your manhood away.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.