You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
My advice to you is STAY AWAY from girls with bipolar disorder. It's not worth the grief. You can usually see the sign VERY quickly. One girl I dated took a few months. I guess they wait until there's a certain comfort level because they remove the curtain. She'd start arguments for no reason, things would set her into "hate mode" easily. For example if she saw something on TV that she didn't like or that she found offensive it would set her into a *****y mood for the rest of the night. It's not worth in bro.usscrum said:when did she start to show signs of the "hate" stage, and how long into your relationship did you determine she had BPD? how was the relationship like initially?
I'm referring to borderline personality disorder.kayman79 said:My advice to you is STAY AWAY from girls with bipolar disorder. It's not worth the grief. You can usually see the sign VERY quickly. One girl I dated took a few months. I guess they wait until there's a certain comfort level because they remove the curtain. She'd start arguments for no reason, things would set her into "hate mode" easily. For example if she saw something on TV that she didn't like or that she found offensive it would set her into a *****y mood for the rest of the night. It's not worth in bro.
I forgot to mention that it basically made her a sexually eradic. Sometimes she'd have a healthy sexual appetite and sometimes she wouldn't let you touch her for WEEKS.
It sounds very familiar. I think at this point you shouldn't be looking for "hate stage" because there are enough signs, lies and manipulations that have already been presented to you on what this girl is capable of and what she is going to do. Make no mistakes about it, this cycle is going to repeat itself with you.usscrum said:For those of you who have dealt with BPD, does this sound familiar at all?
You are eventually going to find yourself in either of her "obsessive creepers" or "*******s" catagories based on how you handle yourself starting today. The so called obsessive creepers are the guys she totally manipulated and had strong oneitis for her but alas she dumped/cheated on them with the "*******s" who end up dumping her short while afterwards (after they discover how fvcked up she really is).usscrum said:All her exes are either obsessive creepers or *******s. According to her, they either ended up breaking her heart for no reason or becoming too infatuated with her, leading to her dumping them. She has told me that i am unlike every guy she's ever dated because I am neither.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
i understand man, but BPD isn't like the flu or something. its a serious mental disorder. i'm not going to assume that my girl is BPD just because our relationship is going very well, even though she lied about how many guys she's been with. she could just be your typical insecure girl with daddy issues who has typically been attracted to various types of douchebags. doesn't automatically mean she is borderline.neil27264 said:I took me some time to realise the woman i was seeing had borderline personallity disorder. Please please please listen, she will screw your head up too, she does not have any capacity to care about you, please get the hell away now, before it is too late.
usscrum said:i understand man, but BPD isn't like the flu or something. its a serious mental disorder. i'm not going to assume that my girl is BPD just because our relationship is going very well, even though she lied about how many guys she's been with. she could just be your typical insecure girl with daddy issues who has typically been attracted to various types of douchebags. doesn't automatically mean she is borderline.
the reason i made this thread is so i could keep my eye out for any traits or behaviors that may change or pop up over the next couple months. i'm confident enough to believe that i will be able to drop her like a bad habit if i begin to truly suspect she may have some kind of problem.
She's had two or three relationships. One sounds pretty textbook BPD. It was serious for 8 years, he supposedly treated her beyond terribly. The other was a guy who wanted her once when she broke up with the main one, and she said she loved him, but she never slept with him and went back to the main one and told him not to call her. But she obviously respects him and thinks well of him. I took that as a good sign.1. If you hear her history as one of stormy relationships.(of course she will always portary herself as victim)
She was abandoned by the 8 year guy. She claims she's been expecting it for years, and she never tried to find him again. She doesn't even know where he lives.2, Past relationships in which she was fawned over or adored by a man but eventually abandoned by him ( this is the outworking of HER compulsive need to destroy relationships BEFORE they destroy her)
Hmm, not really.3. Hypervigilance - a generalized fear of all things -especially men.
Yeah there has been some of this. She doesn't talk about it much. But she's told me a little. She's alluded to cheating at times when her ex left her (he'd always come back.) I don't know if it was technically cheating, or just felt like cheating to her since she loved him.4. Promiscuity or infidelity by her within her previous relationships.( she will justify these )
Pretty much. At least my read as a conservative sort of guy. I declined at the time and she began to loose interest. This was before I really consciously decided to abandon my AFC ways, so I was a bit nutty for her.5. She acts initially like the girl next door - all things sweet and nice. Then she rapidly offers herself sexually to create a bond with you.
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Yes, that is typically BPD behavior and it gets worse until you are in a bewidered bloodied mess.Onlyliveonce said:You see, they attach themselves to you by building up your ego. You think they are great. Once they know your guard is down and you trust them, they strike. A cruel word, snide remark, planting seeds of doubt (Is she fvcking my friend?) it is all designed to take your manhood away.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.