One thing you NEVER want to do is this:
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She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
If a man asks a woman to marry him...and he is asking a woman that has doubts...then that man is not equiped to be in a marriage with that woman as he has difficulty judging her character and desires. In fact, the marriage will fail. Sh+it...one of the things they should have talked WAY BEFORE he proposes is what they would do on issues such as having children and careers and pre-nups to see if there is an agreement.iqqi said:I am more asking about the MOMENT. Suppose you on a whim propose one really romantic evening where you are both just really feeling it, and you have talked about it before but nothing cement, and you just decided to be spontaneous, you guys are on top of MT friggin Everest, or somewhere (once in a lifetime thing) (yes that is an exaggeration), and she is pretty sure she does but isn't very sure... should she say yes! And keep the moment alive, or should she say "well I'm not sure hon, lets talk about this later?"
Even if her reaction first was crying out of joy... but she wasn't SURE just then... should she say yes? And bring up her concerns or fears later? Or NOT SURE, darling. And ruin the $500 meal you treated the two of you to for your 1st anniversary?
The problem with your hypothetical question is that its tailored to women and it has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the male psyche. The things you describe, a man could care less about. Your describing a female fantasy, something that wouldn't enter the mind of a rational male.iqqi said:I am more asking about the MOMENT. Suppose you on a whim propose one really romantic evening where you are both just really feeling it, and you have talked about it before but nothing cement, and you just decided to be spontaneous, you guys are on top of MT friggin Everest, or somewhere (once in a lifetime thing) (yes that is an exaggeration), and she is pretty sure she does but isn't very sure... should she say yes! And keep the moment alive, or should she say "well I'm not sure hon, lets talk about this later?"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
I see what you are saying, but this scenario is actually what happens ALL THE TIME.MacAvoy said:The problem with your hypothetical question is that its tailored to women and it has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the male psyche. The things you describe, a man could care less about. Your describing a female fantasy, something that wouldn't enter the mind of a rational male.
The guy looks as if he was dressed up to look like a sperm!Phyzzle said:
You are right, I agree with that part. That is what I originally was thinking of in my scenario, honestly. So back to the original question.MacAvoy said:Ok the problem with your scenario is the way you described it, you said on a whim, thats they way women like to fantasize things happening. But in actually whenever a man actually makes said scenario happen (ALL THE TIME by your admission), there is a tonne of planning and analyzing that goes into said scenario before it happens and is thought out for months.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
cordoncordon said:If the couple is alone she should be as brutally honest with him as she can be.
With a group? Accept the proposal and talk later.
this isn't a trick answer!iqqi said:BY THE WAY FELLAS,
this isn't a trick question!
I really want to know how you'd feel about this. Should she be considerate of the moment and your feelings? Or brutally honest no leeway?
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I don't think your response is bitter, that was more in reference to all the engagement ring talk. About that, if you are worried that your chick is going to deny you due to a ring, why would you want to marry her in the first place?RedPill said:this isn't a trick answer!
If your super-long-term future with her is not clear - if your life goals are not aligned and your plans with each other are not blatantly obvious, then one really shouldn't be proposing to a woman.
Call this stance bitter if you will, but this whole concept that a marriage proposal is even appropriate when the answer to the proposal is not a sure thing is immature at best and retarded at worst.
The proposal itself should be a formality, the answer a foregone conclusion.
Iqqi if you're looking for a response here which fits your narrow parameters I'll go with "brutally honest" because it's the integrity thing to do. Feigning interest to save face is not classy; it's weak. That said, the truth can be stated with tactful consideration for the feelings of another.
I'm working on it nowafrojiggles said:i bet thats why we havent heard from you for long time, ehe senor fingz!! anyway where is the book you promised to release after WMS?
Exactly. That's how a DJ would do it.##17 said:My understanding is that by the time you've "proposed", you should be pretty sure already that the answer is yes. Meaning you've already discussed where you're heading, life goals, ect., and you both agree that you'd like to spend the rest of your lives together.
So, you're planning on proposing to your girlfriend?iqqi said:BY THE WAY FELLAS,
this isn't a trick question!
I really want to know how you'd feel about this. Should she be considerate of the moment and your feelings? Or brutally honest no leeway?
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.