One thing you NEVER want to do is this:
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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
If a man asks a woman to marry him...and he is asking a woman that has doubts...then that man is not equiped to be in a marriage with that woman as he has difficulty judging her character and desires. In fact, the marriage will fail. Sh+it...one of the things they should have talked WAY BEFORE he proposes is what they would do on issues such as having children and careers and pre-nups to see if there is an agreement.iqqi said:I am more asking about the MOMENT. Suppose you on a whim propose one really romantic evening where you are both just really feeling it, and you have talked about it before but nothing cement, and you just decided to be spontaneous, you guys are on top of MT friggin Everest, or somewhere (once in a lifetime thing) (yes that is an exaggeration), and she is pretty sure she does but isn't very sure... should she say yes! And keep the moment alive, or should she say "well I'm not sure hon, lets talk about this later?"
Even if her reaction first was crying out of joy... but she wasn't SURE just then... should she say yes? And bring up her concerns or fears later? Or NOT SURE, darling. And ruin the $500 meal you treated the two of you to for your 1st anniversary?
The problem with your hypothetical question is that its tailored to women and it has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the male psyche. The things you describe, a man could care less about. Your describing a female fantasy, something that wouldn't enter the mind of a rational male.iqqi said:I am more asking about the MOMENT. Suppose you on a whim propose one really romantic evening where you are both just really feeling it, and you have talked about it before but nothing cement, and you just decided to be spontaneous, you guys are on top of MT friggin Everest, or somewhere (once in a lifetime thing) (yes that is an exaggeration), and she is pretty sure she does but isn't very sure... should she say yes! And keep the moment alive, or should she say "well I'm not sure hon, lets talk about this later?"
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
I see what you are saying, but this scenario is actually what happens ALL THE TIME.MacAvoy said:The problem with your hypothetical question is that its tailored to women and it has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the male psyche. The things you describe, a man could care less about. Your describing a female fantasy, something that wouldn't enter the mind of a rational male.
The guy looks as if he was dressed up to look like a sperm!Phyzzle said:
You are right, I agree with that part. That is what I originally was thinking of in my scenario, honestly. So back to the original question.MacAvoy said:Ok the problem with your scenario is the way you described it, you said on a whim, thats they way women like to fantasize things happening. But in actually whenever a man actually makes said scenario happen (ALL THE TIME by your admission), there is a tonne of planning and analyzing that goes into said scenario before it happens and is thought out for months.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
cordoncordon said:If the couple is alone she should be as brutally honest with him as she can be.
With a group? Accept the proposal and talk later.
this isn't a trick answer!iqqi said:BY THE WAY FELLAS,
this isn't a trick question!
I really want to know how you'd feel about this. Should she be considerate of the moment and your feelings? Or brutally honest no leeway?
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
I don't think your response is bitter, that was more in reference to all the engagement ring talk. About that, if you are worried that your chick is going to deny you due to a ring, why would you want to marry her in the first place?RedPill said:this isn't a trick answer!
If your super-long-term future with her is not clear - if your life goals are not aligned and your plans with each other are not blatantly obvious, then one really shouldn't be proposing to a woman.
Call this stance bitter if you will, but this whole concept that a marriage proposal is even appropriate when the answer to the proposal is not a sure thing is immature at best and retarded at worst.
The proposal itself should be a formality, the answer a foregone conclusion.
Iqqi if you're looking for a response here which fits your narrow parameters I'll go with "brutally honest" because it's the integrity thing to do. Feigning interest to save face is not classy; it's weak. That said, the truth can be stated with tactful consideration for the feelings of another.
I'm working on it nowafrojiggles said:i bet thats why we havent heard from you for long time, ehe senor fingz!! anyway where is the book you promised to release after WMS?
Exactly. That's how a DJ would do it.##17 said:My understanding is that by the time you've "proposed", you should be pretty sure already that the answer is yes. Meaning you've already discussed where you're heading, life goals, ect., and you both agree that you'd like to spend the rest of your lives together.
So, you're planning on proposing to your girlfriend?iqqi said:BY THE WAY FELLAS,
this isn't a trick question!
I really want to know how you'd feel about this. Should she be considerate of the moment and your feelings? Or brutally honest no leeway?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.