One thing you NEVER want to do is this:
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You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
If a man asks a woman to marry him...and he is asking a woman that has doubts...then that man is not equiped to be in a marriage with that woman as he has difficulty judging her character and desires. In fact, the marriage will fail. Sh+it...one of the things they should have talked WAY BEFORE he proposes is what they would do on issues such as having children and careers and pre-nups to see if there is an agreement.iqqi said:I am more asking about the MOMENT. Suppose you on a whim propose one really romantic evening where you are both just really feeling it, and you have talked about it before but nothing cement, and you just decided to be spontaneous, you guys are on top of MT friggin Everest, or somewhere (once in a lifetime thing) (yes that is an exaggeration), and she is pretty sure she does but isn't very sure... should she say yes! And keep the moment alive, or should she say "well I'm not sure hon, lets talk about this later?"
Even if her reaction first was crying out of joy... but she wasn't SURE just then... should she say yes? And bring up her concerns or fears later? Or NOT SURE, darling. And ruin the $500 meal you treated the two of you to for your 1st anniversary?
The problem with your hypothetical question is that its tailored to women and it has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the male psyche. The things you describe, a man could care less about. Your describing a female fantasy, something that wouldn't enter the mind of a rational male.iqqi said:I am more asking about the MOMENT. Suppose you on a whim propose one really romantic evening where you are both just really feeling it, and you have talked about it before but nothing cement, and you just decided to be spontaneous, you guys are on top of MT friggin Everest, or somewhere (once in a lifetime thing) (yes that is an exaggeration), and she is pretty sure she does but isn't very sure... should she say yes! And keep the moment alive, or should she say "well I'm not sure hon, lets talk about this later?"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
I see what you are saying, but this scenario is actually what happens ALL THE TIME.MacAvoy said:The problem with your hypothetical question is that its tailored to women and it has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the male psyche. The things you describe, a man could care less about. Your describing a female fantasy, something that wouldn't enter the mind of a rational male.
The guy looks as if he was dressed up to look like a sperm!Phyzzle said:
You are right, I agree with that part. That is what I originally was thinking of in my scenario, honestly. So back to the original question.MacAvoy said:Ok the problem with your scenario is the way you described it, you said on a whim, thats they way women like to fantasize things happening. But in actually whenever a man actually makes said scenario happen (ALL THE TIME by your admission), there is a tonne of planning and analyzing that goes into said scenario before it happens and is thought out for months.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
cordoncordon said:If the couple is alone she should be as brutally honest with him as she can be.
With a group? Accept the proposal and talk later.
this isn't a trick answer!iqqi said:BY THE WAY FELLAS,
this isn't a trick question!
I really want to know how you'd feel about this. Should she be considerate of the moment and your feelings? Or brutally honest no leeway?
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
I don't think your response is bitter, that was more in reference to all the engagement ring talk. About that, if you are worried that your chick is going to deny you due to a ring, why would you want to marry her in the first place?RedPill said:this isn't a trick answer!
If your super-long-term future with her is not clear - if your life goals are not aligned and your plans with each other are not blatantly obvious, then one really shouldn't be proposing to a woman.
Call this stance bitter if you will, but this whole concept that a marriage proposal is even appropriate when the answer to the proposal is not a sure thing is immature at best and retarded at worst.
The proposal itself should be a formality, the answer a foregone conclusion.
Iqqi if you're looking for a response here which fits your narrow parameters I'll go with "brutally honest" because it's the integrity thing to do. Feigning interest to save face is not classy; it's weak. That said, the truth can be stated with tactful consideration for the feelings of another.
I'm working on it nowafrojiggles said:i bet thats why we havent heard from you for long time, ehe senor fingz!! anyway where is the book you promised to release after WMS?
Exactly. That's how a DJ would do it.##17 said:My understanding is that by the time you've "proposed", you should be pretty sure already that the answer is yes. Meaning you've already discussed where you're heading, life goals, ect., and you both agree that you'd like to spend the rest of your lives together.
So, you're planning on proposing to your girlfriend?iqqi said:BY THE WAY FELLAS,
this isn't a trick question!
I really want to know how you'd feel about this. Should she be considerate of the moment and your feelings? Or brutally honest no leeway?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.