Potential wife past sexual history

[pipeman84]

After the first big argument an attractive virgin will think that there is something better. In fact many times they have over idealistic views of what a relationship is.

A girl that had one or two guys before you probably dated many losers. Most guys are betas. They know you are better than most. They are often more appreciative than more sheltered girls.

Firstly, if the man is a DJ and the girl is in love with him (has high interest level) there can't be a big argument. Let me give you a funny quote from a Doc Love column to illustrate this:

Hey Doc,
Camilla and I have been together for a year now, and we love each other. We’ve been through hell and back together, and I want to share our story with you.
Hi Crane,
When you’ve been to hell and back with a girl, it means her Interest Level was not up in the 90s all along. And that tells me that you haven’t got “The System” memorized, so you don’t know what the heck you’re doing! In my program, there is no hell; there’s only heaven.

Secondly, that's one big appeal of a virgin, the idealistic view of a relationship...I don't want the jaded, got fvcked over (literally and metaphorically) attitude of a more 'experienced' girl. Thirdly where do you get the idea that a virgin doesn't know that most guys are betas and losers? Why do you think she's 20+ and still a virgin?

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Firstly, if the man is a DJ and the girl is in love with him (has high interest level) there can't be a big argument. Let me give you a funny quote from a Doc Love column to illustrate this:

Secondly, that's one big appeal of a virgin, the idealistic view of a relationship...I don't want the jaded, got fvcked over (literally and metaphorically) attitude of a more 'experienced' girl. Thirdly where do you get the idea that a virgin doesn't know that most guys are betas and losers? Why do you think she's 20+ and still a virgin?

I agree with you bro. Ive been with my girl since December and shes not jaded, no fighting, when she´s jealoues she´s adorable about it. I get away with so much stuff its f0cking unbelivable.

Doesnt mean all virgins are like this. Some of them are a f0cking headache like another member said. I believe it was @Pandora if Im not mistaken.

 

[Pandora]

Firstly, if the man is a DJ and the girl is in love with him (has high interest level) there can't be a big argument. Let me give you a funny quote from a Doc Love column to illustrate this:

Secondly, that's one big appeal of a virgin, the idealistic view of a relationship...I don't want the jaded, got fvcked over (literally and metaphorically) attitude of a more 'experienced' girl. Thirdly where do you get the idea that a virgin doesn't know that most guys are betas and losers? Why do you think she's 20+ and still a virgin?

How many virgins have you actually dated? Or is this all theory? Please be honest.

 

[Pandora]

I agree with you bro. Ive been with my girl since December and shes not jaded, no fighting, when she´s jealoues she´s adorable about it. I get away with so much stuff its f0cking unbelivable.

Doesnt mean all virgins are like this. Some of them are a f0cking headache like another member said. I believe it was @Pandora if Im not mistaken.

Was your girl a virgin? And you got very lucky she is good one. The OP does not understand that virginity is not a cure. Many virgins are overly clingly head cases too.

Most virgins are just virgins because they are super sheltered introverts. It had nothing to do with them having honor or virtue. The honor and virture was externally enfored.

2 of the virgins I dated were the outcasts in high school. If they were popular they prob would have had sex.

 

[pipeman84]

How many virgins have you actually dated? Or is this all theory? Please be honest.

None recently. Back in high-school but nothing came out of it. But that's not relevant because I'm talking about a logical framework for a serious LTR/marriage. You can't nullify it with a couple bad examples from your experience because I can bring the examples of other users here like Colossus and Serenity who happily married virgins.

 

[Pandora]

How long/much effort did it take for you to bang your virgins?

The first one I met in a post bacc program. I was 24 and she was still in college at 23. It took me months and months ( about 1 yr). Many dates, long hours on the phone etc.

1.)
She was a 6/10 ( i may put a picture). But man she was stuborn. She could not admit fault. She was very attached to me and wanted to see my ALL THE TIME. She started to gain weight but did not agree that women should go to the gym for their man. She did not agree that she should cook for me before marriage. It was bad. Typical black woman. I cheated on her like crazy.


2.) Also a black girl. Personality disorder IVY league girl. I posted about her here. She was the most high conflict woman ever! Omg. She as a 6.5/10 ....this was the one that was flirting with my cousin. It took me about 2 months to smash after being gf and bf. She wanted to finally lose her virginity.

3.) Russian girl in Russia that I would talk to. She was in a small town. She taught me some Russian. She wanted to lose her virginity. We would video chat and she would send spicy pics ( no nudes). She was a pain and very bad personality.

So virginitiy is just a piece of the pie. They can still be a bytch.

 

[Pandora]

None recently. Back in high-school but nothing came out of it. But that's not relevant because I'm talking about a logical framework for a serious LTR/marriage. You can't nullify it with a couple bad examples from your experience because I can bring the examples of other users here like Colossus and Serenity who happily married virgins.

Bro so never actually had or dated a virgin. Yet you are steadfast in your position because of logic. Since when did women operate based on logic?

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Was your girl a virgin?

Yes. We have been together since last year and everyday I keep thanking my lucky stars. She just gave me a f0cking new xbox series for my b-day.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

How long/much effort did it take for you to bang your virgins?

How long? About 4 months.

Effort? More like patience. She kept moving away because she was in so much pain. Lots of crying.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

3.) Russian girl in Russia that I would talk to. She was in a small town. She taught me some Russian. She wanted to lose her virginity. We would video chat and she would send spicy pics ( no nudes). She was a pain and very bad personality.

Did you went to Russia? Or did she visit you?

 

[Pandora]

About 4 months. She kept moving away because she was in so much pain. Lots of crying.

Same man. Its a many hours long process. Sometimes it takes a couple days to break that seal. Its an ordeal because of their pain lol.

 

[Pandora]

Did you went to Russia? Or did she visit you?

Got my Russian visa, got to the airport. The Ukraine war had just started. Something in my gut told me that this was a stupid move. So I rerouted my flight to Istanbul Turkey. I ended up dating a girl there.

 

[pipeman84]

Bro so never actually had or dated a virgin. Yet you are steadfast in your position because of logic. Since when did women operate based on logic?

It's me that operates on logic.
Regarding your 2 cases: firstly, they're both black women, I have no experience with black women but from what I've read on this forum I gather they're more problematic (more bitchy, masculine etc).
Secondly, spending hours on the phone is bad on your part....you're supposed to be a busy guy (even if just sitting in a chair looking at the wall and meditating). The interaction with the girl should be face 2 face...communication is way better that way, you can get physical etc
Thirdly, the deep character issues you mention in both cases won't suddenly dissapear because they fvck 1 or 2 other guys. C'mon man, isn't that obvious?

 

[Murk]

I had a bachelors degree by 20, a few post graduates degrees by 25. Relatively succesful job/career. But yeah, I Might have a bunch of mental illness for all I know. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

So why mention it then? It shows you are intelligent (or rather you can memorise books), which gives a higher probability and susceptibility to mental illness. A lot of guys on here are very smart, autistic, and socially inept with mental health issues they refuse to accept (like promiscuous women and their value).

 

[Pandora]

It's me that operates on logic.
Regarding your 2 cases: firstly, they're both black women, I have no experience with black women but from what I've read on this forum I gather they're more problematic (more bitchy, masculine etc).
Secondly, spending hours on the phone is bad on your part....you're supposed to be a busy guy (even if just sitting in a chair looking at the wall and meditating). The interaction with the girl should be face 2 face...communication is way better that way, you can get physical etc
Thirdly, the deep character issues you mention in both cases won't suddenly dissapear because they fvck 1 or 2 other guys. C'mon man, isn't that obvious?

All healthy girls are virgin. Not all virgins are healthy.

We have to be careful not to overdealize sacred cows such as virgins and foreign women. In my experience both these things come with their own hidden evils. Women are a pain in the azz no matter what.

 

[Pandora]

Ok I’m going to expose personal experience here that I maybe shouldn’t.

My first wife was a virgin when we met, she was brought up in a country where this is commonplace, and not out of the ordinary a few decades ago. I had scant sexual experience as I was quite young when we married.

She truly was my first love, like head over heels, deer in the headlights kind of love. We both were youngsters living abroad - the whole world was our oyster.

A few weeks after we finally decided to get married and two weeks before we did we consummated the deal. We’d been doing everything but until that point, but no penetration. We literally learned everything we knew from each other from the beginning. It was actually her during a naked make out session that finally basically thrust her whole body onto me. It was amazing, we both frankly were so astonished by the emotion surrounding it we held each other for a few minutes and kissed until we went at it like jackrabbits. She wasn’t on bc and I was not wrapped.

In the leading weeks to our marriage we fooled around every day, for hours. I learned about the value of have a strong pelvic floor and my pullout game was impeccable, never knocked her up.

It took her a YEAR to finally have her first bonafide PIV only O and it was so overwhelming for her she shook for a good long time. I was so filled with emotion and pride.

We always had sex for more than an hour every single day we were married except when I was deployed. It was just the most magical thing in the world. She became multiply orgasmic over time as well. It was always the one thing that worked for us up until our divorce and for a while thereafter .

Now the other shoe:
We were so young, in our mid 20’s we realized we’d grown into completely different people and were no longer compatible or had the same life goals. It was heartbreaking but we divorced semi-amicably - we never had kids.

So virginity and (if you can pull it off) amazing sex is not panacea it’s not a magic bullet.

She was stunningly beautiful by any standard, submissive and mine, but still it didn’t work.

Find someone you love and someone you love fncking if you want an LTR. Everyone has a past, adjust.

Damn dude this is a deep story. Wow. Its kind of cool that you were able to discover each other sexually. Thats a deep bond.

If you guys did not make it then I dont think there is too much hope for marriage. Btw your post proves my point. Compatibility is superior to virginity. It would be nice to have a compatible virgin but the world is not perfect.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

All healthy girls are virgin. Not all virgins are healthy.

D@mn bro. This is gold.

 

[pipeman84]

I thought of another way to put into words the issue I have with past sexual history:
So let's say you meet a 28yrs old girl...she's been with 5 guys since she was 18, so 5 guys in the past 10 years. Now what are the odds she's going to be faithful to you (one guy) for the next 2 years, let alone 20 if you want kids?

I mean if she's the type that's 'learning, growing, discovering, reinventing herself' and all the other euphemisms for what essentially is lack of loyalty and/or discernment when entering a relationship, then it makes no logical sense to me to want to marry such a girl and expect a happy life together.

 

[pipeman84]

Some guys have made the argument in this thread and others on SS that a virgin will get bored/curious and will want to explore how it is with other guys. So according to them, it's better to get an 'experienced' woman who has had at least a few guys and got curiosity out of her system. Well, my counter argument has been that hoes gonna hoe. Once she's proven she lacks loyalty by having multiple relationships or sex partners, but you expect it to go the distance with you, that's naive thinking IMO.

Kissa Sins got bored of Johnny Sins after 3 years and wanted new dyck, therefore started shooting porn with new guys. I know that this might be an extreme example to prove my point, but nevertheless.
1:54 - 2:35

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Hoes gonna hoe.

This should be a sticky on the forums or one of Tomassi´s Iron Rules.