"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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ok nexted the chick I was obsessed over. she's a smoker with daddy issues so it's just not worth my time. well i went out last night and met up with my buddy who had his gf and her random friend. me and her chatted hit up hit it off quite well. she was flirting with a bunch of guys as well. as she is very attractive. but kept coming up to me when I was talking to a friend of mine and. sitting next to me basically letting me know she was there. then 10 min later would get up talk and sit back down. the obvious signs she atleast thought I was attractive was laughing at every joke I said and when I said the jokes she always would grab my arm every time she laughed. and faked tiny drama situations so I could help her. example: her Snapchat froze and she was making a big deal out of it to me etc etc. is this enough to make her a potential plate? I didn't get her number and the bye was just a simple hug.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Your going to have to make a move on her. Do not ask anyone for her number. You missed your first opportunity with her, now you need to find out where the next place you’ll see her is.

A lot of ways to do that. I personally wouldn’t tilt my hand to my friend or his girlfriend though.
 

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gonna have to do the old Facebook add and messaging to get her num?
 

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You’re starting on the wrong foot by doing that. It may work out, it’ll be more uphill than it needed to be. She basically already handed you her phone. What do you think 100% of men here would do with that?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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yeah well im a complete idiot.... hahaha
I screwed up this weekend too. If I was you i’d Spend a week trying to run into her “by chance”.

Here’s an example of patients. A girl I work with added me on Facebook, I didn’t have a good way to get on the right foot with her until she liked me on bumble. Instantly Facebooked her and asked her out. Took me two weeks though trying to find the right approach even though I knew what was up.
 

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Tbh I've been in this situation plenty of times before where I've had akward goodbyes and meant to get a girls number because she seemed into me.

If I were you I wouldn't ask your friend or his girlfriend on your behalf, but I would see if she has some kind of instagram and follow her. A lot of people think that is "creepy" but if I girl I liked followed me on instagram, I'd be flattered not start thinking about how it was weird she searched for me.

Also instagram is much more casual than facebook so you eliminate a bit of perceived desparation
 

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thing is she's kind of a flirty girl in general so its hard to tell if shes into me... my friend told her I said she was cute and she like ignored it and changed the subject he said lol
 

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Dude, you haven't even kissed her and you're talking about potential plate LOL
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Potential plate is a concept that comes after you have kissed AND banged the girl once AND well and you see signs she wants more and more. She laughed at your jokes and touched you a couple of times. Signs of flirting, not signs of potential plate. Get off that train and wait for your next chance to get physical and if it happens, we can talk about a potential plate. At this point, you're feeding yourself an empty bowl.
 

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she's definitely not a slut so pretty sure she's one of those chicks who i would have to spend ALOT of time with to bang
 

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No, she's not, Ryan. And if you bang a chick quickly, it doesn't necessarily mean she is a slut, you should change that concept, too. It doesn't matter if it's a slut or not, the concept of yourself bangin' her regularly has already gotten to your mind while you have not even kissed her. Get off the high horse or you will fall and miss the damsel. This chick maybe likes you, you're already thinking of having kids with her LOL common, man
 

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fvck no man lol she's cute but im not in love with the girl lol. and as a matter of fact we kissed last night a quick peck on the lips. hahah
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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ok nexted the chick I was obsessed over. she's a smoker with daddy issues so it's just not worth my time. well i went out last night and met up with my buddy who had his gf and her random friend. me and her chatted hit up hit it off quite well. she was flirting with a bunch of guys as well. as she is very attractive. but kept coming up to me when I was talking to a friend of mine and. sitting next to me basically letting me know she was there. then 10 min later would get up talk and sit back down. the obvious signs she atleast thought I was attractive was laughing at every joke I said and when I said the jokes she always would grab my arm every time she laughed. and faked tiny drama situations so I could help her. example: her Snapchat froze and she was making a big deal out of it to me etc etc. is this enough to make her a potential plate? I didn't get her number and the bye was just a simple hug.
This is the stuff that drives me crazy. You dont take advantage of the opportunity right in front of you then you come on a board to ask what to do? Next time get her number and let her know you two are going to go oit sometime.

Why do guys have to make things so hard on themselves? I think some guys just like the drama as much as women.
 

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Tbh I've been in this situation plenty of times before where I've had akward goodbyes and meant to get a girls number because she seemed into me.

If I were you I wouldn't ask your friend or his girlfriend on your behalf, but I would see if she has some kind of instagram and follow her. A lot of people think that is "creepy" but if I girl I liked followed me on instagram, I'd be flattered not start thinking about how it was weird she searched for me.

Also instagram is much more casual than facebook so you eliminate a bit of perceived desparation
You are thinking like a guy not like a woman. To her that means orbiter.
 

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she's definitely not a slut so pretty sure she's one of those chicks who i would have to spend ALOT of time with to bang
How do you know? Every woman can be a woman who bangs a guy in the first hour they meet and every woman can be a woman who holds out for a month. It largely depends on the man she is with and his skill and level of game. Also the time of the month(near ovulation equals more horny) and mood that night play a large role as well. Ie, some nights a chick will be good to go and some nights she won't.
 

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well this board was made to help guys who need help so I come on here and ask lol. yeah royally fvcked up by not putting my number in her phone I think she pulled her phone out infrknt of .e on purpose now that I think of it.

I can tell by her personality she's not slutty and I've heard.
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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