"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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POF - perpetually “unread” messages

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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CAPSLOCK BANDIT

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Personally I wouldn't take advice from a poster on OLD without them posting receipts, much of the advice on this site is sus.
 

17 shots

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Is this after they've responded to your first message, or do you mean women who haven't responded at all to anything

If you can see who reads your messages, then that means you have a paid membership. Which means you can send an unlimited amount of messages per day vs the 25 max for free users. Which means... don't even worry about who's not answering, just send more messages
 

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Hey, peeps...

So I am getting tons of messages on POF that remain in “unread” status, even after the ladies have logged in and must have seen them. I get “deleted unread” and “read deleted” all the time.

Very disheartening. Please provide clarity.
How many women who deleted your messages saw your profile? How many women are seeing your profile? Did they see your profile first after reading your message and did that? How do more popular male profiles look compared to yours?

Step back and keep a critical distance. Look at it like science. You need to figure it out by being objective.
 

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A lot of guys find this hard to really swallow.

Its as shocking for girls as realising that most guys are just on there looking for sex as fast as possible, not there to date or 'get to know you' or 'develop a relationship'. There is no such thing anymore. The AW's have made it only so that guys MUST escalate sex quickly or be used for attention only. Dating and developing relationships does not exist at all from the beginnings of OLD.
If the beginning meeting was an approach or from social circle IN PERSON, there might be a chance to date and get to know a guy for boyfriend potential, but not on OLD.

Its a bitter red pill for both genders.
That's true. I specifically avoid "getting to know" any woman from a dating site that is not having sex with me.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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POF is so late 2000s/early 2010s.
POF's glory days were 2008-2013
After 2013 POF went off a cliff (that's when Tinder was at it's height, in my city anyway)
I haven't used POF since 2017 tried to get on it during the Pandemic and got banned within minutes
Honestly Tinder has now turned into POF so many single mothers it's crazy
 

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POF's glory days were 2008-2013
After 2013 POF went off a cliff (that's when Tinder was at it's height, in my city anyway)
I haven't used POF since 2017 tried to get on it during the Pandemic and got banned within minutes
Honestly Tinder has now turned into POF so many single mothers it's crazy
Plenty of Rotten Fish. Tinder is even worse - at least with the other sites you could filter out the fatties. It's a shame there's no way to filter out all of the attention whoares.
 
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