Plate comes over, refuses sex so I sent her packing

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Patience like 20-30 $50-$150 dates? The 3 date rule while it was invented by players to make sure they are fvcking now applies to all men to ensure they arent being strung along for dates.
No of course don’t get strung along. No where in my posts am I implying that guys pay for 30 dates before sex. Like I posted earlier women should be paying for some dates, not just expecting the guy to pay. If she does that’s a bad sign.

Building sexual attraction through rapport etc is ideal of course, that’s what makes dating fun. If she’s stringling the guy along and he sense’s the interest is not building then clearly that’s a waste of his time.

But expecting her to follow dating rules that he set up in his head, not sure how that doesn’t lead to disappointment at times.

What’s wrong with going with the flow and actually enjoying the date and not strategically doing a sales pitch every step of the way? Plant a few flirty seeds and let her to a bit of the chasing. She already knows he wants to sleep with her if he asked her out, build some interest, be chill, confident, genuinely enjoying himself, she’s a bonus to the good time he probably would of had without her anyway. That kind of thing.
If there’s real attraction on her part then having to work for it a bit is actually enticing for her, like he’s a prize. Being sexually pushy often times comes across as being sexually desperate. And desperation is not a turn on for most women.
 

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What you know, twenty four hours later HB7 writes juan saying hi and asking how was my impression of our date. I told her that I liked spending time with her, and she seems like a nnice girl, and we should repeat it sometime. Then I asked what time she's free during her week, she said thursday only, to which I said we'll write each other again. My mythical alter ego friend Lazar Angelov also asked about meeting with her in the middle of the week and she told him she's available tuesday and thursday! This up coming date I am going to bang her good.
 

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Patience like 20-30 $50-$150 dates? The 3 date rule while it was invented by players to make sure they are fvcking now applies to all men to ensure they arent being strung along for dates.
The only rule I have is if she amuses me.

If she doesn't then I'd drop her.

I don't even think about the sex part since that part is easy because women always want sex, need sex, desire sex, dreams of great sex, talks to their bff of sex, read about sex etc.

Desperation is an attraction killer.

It reeks of low abundance hence the perception of a low value male seeking sex.
 

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I had a gal that would come over to my place a lot, and when she was on her period, the vajaya was NO-GO. However, that would not stop Mr. Happy from making his presence known pressed up against her butt (we were in spooning position), so she finished me off my hand. Where there is a will, there is a way.
 

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Here's a the thing, for some men a woman will withhold sex on many dates which you'll consider high smv or a good girl with good morals and yet the same woman will sleep with a different man on just 1 date.
What you just said reminded me of this post that made by one of the member who left the forum, but it's a good one:

""There's a reason why most in the manosphere encourage going for the quick lay: it's because women who make you wait are no more emotionally stable than women who go for the quick lay. If anything, girls who make you wait generally display trust issues, believe they hold the keys to goldenpoosy which you must now jump through hoops to get to, and I also find that women who make you wait generally don't make other men in their past wait but for whatever reason - they've been burned before, they don't like you as much, aren't as drunk or turned on by you, or just plain don't feel like - they have now decided to make you wait.

I don't know about you, but it's just something about being made to wait while knowing she has most probably not made other dudes wait that makes me not trust nor want to be with a woman like this.""
 

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There's so much conflicting 'advice' on this website, you guys are going to forever be frustrated.
 

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There's so much conflicting 'advice' on this website, you guys are going to forever be frustrated.
This is the scentury of conflict. Conflicting feelings, conflicting thoughts, advice, everyone has an opinion. Too many options/choices spoil and make a person go bad LOL

That's why I try to post matters here rarely, it turns into a thought fight LOL
 

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What you just said reminded me of this post that made by one of the member who left the forum, but it's a good one:

""There's a reason why most in the manosphere encourage going for the quick lay: it's because women who make you wait are no more emotionally stable than women who go for the quick lay. If anything, girls who make you wait generally display trust issues, believe they hold the keys to goldenpoosy which you must now jump through hoops to get to, and I also find that women who make you wait generally don't make other men in their past wait but for whatever reason - they've been burned before, they don't like you as much, aren't as drunk or turned on by you, or just plain don't feel like - they have now decided to make you wait.

I don't know about you, but it's just something about being made to wait while knowing she has most probably not made other dudes wait that makes me not trust nor want to be with a woman like this.""
The good girl concept - making a man wait is a myth or tactic created by women themselves to give out a perception of value.

A clever ruse by the female imperative that has many gullible men falling for it and even worse, they help spread it around. Pitiful.

All it ever took is for the right man to come along and she'll gladly spread her legs.

She can't help it, she thinks she has control but it's an illusion as her biology drives her to mate with the best and then to cope with her slutty behaviour she'll conjur up some female logic - love at 1st sight, I don't know what came over me, I swear he has magical powers etc etc.

The words I hear from women after I bed them on the 1st date never fails to amuse me.
 

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There's so much conflicting 'advice' on this website, you guys are going to forever be frustrated.
A little hint about men and women: no one actually follows advice haha. I was on this website for 7 years before I even followed through with full no contact, because I was forced to by the situation.
 
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She came at my place, everytime she did, we had sex except for once when she was in the middle of period. As soon as she entered she said "what's that on your neck, someone kissed you there?" I was like "Hm, no." And she went on and on. Didn't stop me from grabbing her ass and laying her in bed, stick my D out, rubbed it against her pants, but she started acting like she didn't want to. So I said to hell with all the useless games, got up, put my underwear and pants back on and told her to take her things and leave. In this moment, she started acting like a puppy, trying to hug me and touch me all over, but my mood was ruined already so I told her to pack and leave. She said the classic "you only want me for sex" and I told her "If you wanted to discuss any problems that you might have with me or our relation/communication, we could have gone out for a drink, you didn't need to come to my place." Also, today morning I sent her a text saying "I am gonna eat you up like candy" and she smiled. My gut feeling tells me I did the right thing.

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Nicely done good sir.

I would have suggested that you say less and kick her out.

You get more accomplished by letting her down and having her stew in her own web of female logic.

#nextset kuz
 

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If a woman likes you, getting her into bed will always be easy unless you screw up or some outside force intervenes, If you even need to think about the date rule that's not a good sign lol.

This thread is a prime example of why you shouldn't take advice from women, they tell you that you'll miss out on quality girls by dropping the ones who aren't putting out fast enough for you, as if not putting out has no bearing on a womans quality lol.

If a guy told me that the woman that gives him less sex for more effort and a longer wait is higher quality, I'd tell him that the restaurant which has the most expensive food and takes twice as long to make it as everywhere else, is the best in the city.

99% of the women I've known that weren't DTF quickly never were. The other 1% that became DTF eventually made you jump through a lot of tiresome hoops and BS.
 

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99% of the women I've known that weren't DTF quickly never were.
This. Women know who they wanna bang and who not. If they're confused, not a good sign and probably medium to low interest in general.
 

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This sex by date two or three rule. Really? This is a rule for men, not women, by the way.

Women don’t go around thinking “gee, I better abide by the second/ third date rule.”

If a guy wants to dump a girl for not putting out on the second date that’s his right but it’s not something she did wrong, other than date a guy who decided to forgo potential sex because of a date rule that he basically made for himself.

Not seeing the logic in that but can see lots of missed opportunities. For every one hot girl that is dumped by a guy who is holding himself accountable to a second date rule that really only affects him, there are 20+ guys who are more than happy to excercise a bit more patient and build a bit of comfort before sex.

There is a limit to how long a man should wait. The point of dating is because both parties feel attraction which leads to sex.

If you are 30+ both parties know what dating is...….

The flip side of YOUR argument, is that a man who is willing to look elsewhere after 3-4 dates shows himself to be a high value man who can find what he needs elsewhere. The man who is willing to wait 12 dates shows himself to be a man with no other options. Women know this...….
 

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If he's going to get so upset that he has to wait a bit, upset enough to leave, he's not up to my standards. He fails my screening.

You guys b1rtch and moan about ladies riding the c0ck carousel but then b1tch and moan when they think the see enough value in you to try to develop a connection with you. It's really no wonder frustration is rampant
If you are 30+ and aren't having sex by the 3rd or 4th date she is not that interested and is wasting your time. Move on.
 
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There is a limit to how long a man should wait. The point of dating is because both parties feel attraction which leads to sex.

If you are 30+ both parties know what dating is...….

The flip side of YOUR argument, is that a man who is willing to look elsewhere after 3-4 dates shows himself to be a high value man who can find what he needs elsewhere. The man who is willing to wait 12 dates shows himself to be a man with no other options. Women know this...….
There’s a limit of course, there should be. I’m not suggesting that men wait and wait and be strung along. 12 dates is kind of long, but hard and fast rules around sex after date 2 or 3 just seems extreme to me, and counterproductive in some ways, like disqualifying her for a rule that she was expected to follow, even if she was hot/nice/ feminine etc and for all he knew was waiting for the next date to have sex.

It’s like a woman saying if he doesn’t propose after one year of dating she’s gone. Does he know she wants to her married? Probably. Does he know she has set a deadline for him to propose or she dumps him? No. Is she showing high value by nexting him because she can find what she wants elsewhere?

We know he’s sexually interested if he asks us out. We know he wants sex. What we don’t know is that we may get dumped if we don’t put out after date 2 or 3 lol.

These are examples of rules both genders set up unbeknownst to the person they are with, who they expect to somehow know and follow lol.

But for guys who hold by that rule, there are lots of easy girls to date who don’t need 2 or 3 dates to warm up. If they focus on the easy girls then they don’t get disappointed by other girls who can’t read their minds.
 

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I will be in bold

There’s a limit of course, there should be. I’m not suggesting that men wait and wait and be strung along. 12 dates is kind of long, but hard and fast rules around sex after date 2 or 3 just seems extreme to me, and counterproductive in some ways, like disqualifying her for a rule that she was expected to follow, even if she was hot/nice/ feminine etc and for all he knew was waiting for the next date to have sex. Fair enough......but date 5 comes, and she could be "waiting for the next date...then date 6....As a man, you don't have to have a SET number, but you have to have a range. A man in his 30's 40's or 50's has no reason to wait much more than 4 dates, even 3. Both parties have fXcked hundreds of time. If she doesn't want to have sex with you in the first few dates, she is not that attracted to you...…….or she has other issues, recent divorce, etc......in any case, she is not what YOU are looking for if sex is important to you. IF she finds you super attractive, she WILL have sex with you.....because she knows someone else will....and then you will be gone.

It’s like a woman saying if he doesn’t propose after one year of dating she’s gone. Many think that way. Does he know she wants to her married? Probably. Does he know she has set a deadline for him to propose or she dumps him? No. Is she showing high value by nexting him because she can find what she wants elsewhere? She can express her desire/needs and if he is unable to fulfill those, she SHOULD move on, just like a man who encounters a woman who is not interested in having sex within the first 4 dates. Different priorities. For me? Sex is important. If it isn't for her, we are not a good fit.

We know he’s sexually interested if he asks us out. We know he wants sex. What we don’t know is that we may get dumped if we don’t put out after date 2 or 3 lol. You know now. Spread the word.

These are examples of rules both genders set up unbeknownst to the person they are with, who they expect to somehow know and follow lol. True.

But for guys who hold by that rule, there are lots of easy girls to date who don’t need 2 or 3 dates to warm up. If they focus on the easy girls then they don’t get disappointed by other girls who can’t read their minds. It is NOT about reading minds. ASSUME all men want sex by the third or 4th date, or they are leaving. It really is that simple. Any woman I have dated, no matter HOW MUCH I liked them, had 3 or 4 dates before I quit calling. If she doesn't Fxck you by then, you are wasting your time, and are a "friend"It really is that simple.
 

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If you are 30+ and aren't having sex by the 3rd or 4th date she is not that interested and is wasting your time. Move on.
3 or 4 dates isn't enough time to screen for a$$hole. So you bang on the third or 4th date and realize by the 6th date you have banged an a$$hole and decide to move on. So you start dating someone new, have 2 dates, bang on the third, find out he's unsavory by the 6th, move on, start dating someone new, have 2 dates, bang on the third, find out he's unsavory by the 6th, move on, etc, etc, etc, and continue to spread your legs for strangers hoping that you'll find a decent one....

Gross
 

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3 or 4 dates isn't enough time to screen for a$$hole. So you bang on the third or 4th date and realize by the 6th date you have banged an a$$hole and decide to move on. So you start dating someone new, have 2 dates, bang on the third, find out he's unsavory by the 6th, move on, start dating someone new, have 2 dates, bang on the third, find out he's unsavory by the 6th, move on, etc, etc, etc, and continue to spread your legs for strangers hoping that you'll find a decent one....

Gross
You need to improve your screening process.
 

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You need to improve your screening process.
How? I'm not allowed to get to know him before I fvck him according to you guys

A$$hole/real personality doesn't generally show up for the actual date untill date 5/6. But by then....
 
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