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It depends really how often you f.uck.

IMO your frame can be often enforced if you will withold yourself from acting upon the urge as it shows that you are after something bigger in life (somewhat similar to sportsmen conserving energy, sexy girl or not around) and sex is just addition to your plans but it really depends.

Going after sex every time makes you look weak eventually (like well fed animal in mating season you are always ready).

When I still had frame in my former relationship I waited with escalation until my ex couldn't resist touching me and pretty much initiating or at least inviting me to initiate sex.

My friend went even further and knowing that girl is heavily after him, he ****ested her to the point she was angry on him that he doesn't want her (it was a lie, he did, it was just his game).

IMO you lost frame there, and your act was a wannabe-alpha act. Higher game requires being refined. Quality women are not into sexting. You either doing it to top SMV HB or don't waste your time sending her weak messages on FB or cell phone.

It may work if she is way below your SMV but I don't go into such relations (waste of time and resources) and you don't need much game with such women so asking on sosuave about advice is again meaningless really.
I sent her the message in the morning before she came at my place. Lotsa guys seem to be confused about that here.
 

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^I'm not confused! I wonder tho, how soon she will try to get in contact with you, one week, two weeks? Technically you kicked her out, so this does not qualify punishment when she returns, like licking your ass. I bet her periodd will be over wednesday, then she will call you next monday 11th.
 

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This sex by date two or three rule. Really? This is a rule for men, not women, by the way.

Women don’t go around thinking “gee, I better abide by the second/ third date rule.”

If a guy wants to dump a girl for not putting out on the second date that’s his right but it’s not something she did wrong, other than date a guy who decided to forgo potential sex because of a date rule that he basically made for himself.

Not seeing the logic in that but can see lots of missed opportunities. For every one hot girl that is dumped by a guy who is holding himself accountable to a second date rule that really only affects him, there are 20+ guys who are more than happy to exercise atrash bit more patient and build a bit of comfort before sex.
@AJ84 lol, these boys, they don't care about 'missed' quality females, they just want submissive women who will fvck by the second or third date. Because if she fvcks on the 1st date, she is trash
 
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No, no. Being told to get up and get dressed is a sign that ****ty games will be "rewarded" with her leaving right away. She wanted to have sex, just wanted to lead me on so that I would go begging mode or desperate or sth. Right after I told her to take her things and leave, she started hugging me and rubbing my d1ck.

I read your other posts as well. I am not a ****boy. I gave her a fair shot at showing her values as a girl and all she did was make fights, create fuss over nothing. I will most probably drop her off and won't see her again because she is as unpredictable and unstable as the fackin weather. But stop making her dumb and a victim. She is a declared NPD and is spoiled as hell. Now that someone doesn't play her games, she's trying everything to "win".
I have better context now ( this explanation is clearer) I didn't realize she was playing games with you. leave her behind. She sounds difficult.
 

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For every one hot girl that is dumped by a guy who is holding himself accountable to a second date rule that really only affects him, there are 20+ guys who are more than happy to excercise a bit more patient and build a bit of comfort before sex.
Hot girls making all men wait is borderline unicorn in the West, I hope you know.

My position is, I will wait as long as the fastest man you slept with and not a second longer. If I find out you made me wait longer, I will simply no longer trust your interest in me as genuine.

Would women want to believe they were being used for some purpose other than genuine sexual attraction? Something interesting, I noticed when speaking with women to NEVER say "looks aren't that important" because they want to believe you chose them as anything other than every bit as beautiful as anyone from your past.
 
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Make your men wait sazc and AJ84 for many many dates, that way you for sure know he is feminine enough for you to fall in love with him! Honestly, wtf do you have to offer that the next girl don't have? Maybe some unique traits and qualities? But what are they, list every one of them here.
 

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Make your men wait sazc and AJ84 for many many dates, that way you for sure know he is feminine enough for you to fall in love with him! Honestly, wtf do you have to offer that the next girl don't have? Maybe some unique traits and qualities? But what are they, list every one of them here.
If he's going to get so upset that he has to wait a bit, upset enough to leave, he's not up to my standards. He fails my screening.

You guys b1rtch and moan about ladies riding the c0ck carousel but then b1tch and moan when they think the see enough value in you to try to develop a connection with you. It's really no wonder frustration is rampant
 

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If he's going to get so upset that he has to wait a bit, upset enough to leave, he's not up to my standards. He fails my screening.

You guys b1rtch and moan about ladies riding the c0ck carousel but then b1tch and moan when they think the see enough value in you to try to develop a connection with you. It's really no wonder frustration is rampant
Only insecure girls would use sex as negotiation. If you as a woman are sure you have got other values except for being bangable, then you need not worry about anything. Most women nowadays haven't got much more than possy power. If you have no values or are insecure about them, why the hell do I have to find them for you?

I have a girlfriend since 4 months. We kept having sex for about 5-6 months and she never pushed for a relationship, she understood how I like it and she won that. Now some people here might say "well who do you think you are that other people have to deserve you?". Women hold the gates to sex, men hold the gates to relationship. You don't see men strutting around pretending sex right away, do you? Men are willing to wait one or two or even three dates. We don't go around complaining we don't get no sex. Getting sex is partly a skill, just like getting a relationship is. This is why I don't buy this bullchit.

If I was charming/good enough to get your sex quickly, why do I have to gift you a relationship? This girl is not worthy a relationship. I was heading for a shooting today with two clients, she kinda ruined my mood. My mood is important to me, I am an artist, need to be on form mentally to produce good work. She didn't give a Fack about that. She ain't getting a relationship, not from me.
 

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You playing games with alpha males? What's the purpose of that, show who's the man in your future relationship? How about you show up at a date on time, offer to pay for half the bill, make it out on first date, but no sex, then on second date you have a passionate sex all night long and from that point on no games, no bullsh1t, only love.
 

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You playing games with alpha males? What's the purpose of that, show who's the man in your future relationship? How about you show up at a date on time, offer to pay for half the bill, make it out on first date, but no sex, then on second date you have a passionate sex all night long and from that point on no games, no bullsh1t, only love.
Most women are not even able of thinking that, let alone doing it. You want sincerity? Give it, you will get it.
 
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You guys b1rtch and moan about ladies riding the c0ck carousel but then b1tch and moan when they think the see enough value in you to try to develop a connection with you. It's really no wonder frustration is rampant
Here's what you're selectively choosing not to understand, although I've explained this to you.

There is no redemption in this Game. There is no riding the **** carousel, then "see enough value to develop connection" (by withholding sex lol). If you rode the carousel then your values are proven, so act congruent.
 

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^I'm not confused! I wonder tho, how soon she will try to get in contact with you, one week, two weeks? Technically you kicked her out, so this does not qualify punishment when she returns, like licking your ass. I bet her periodd will be over wednesday, then she will call you next monday 11th.
I couldn't care less. I felt bad with myself today treating her like that cause I am not that type of guy. I do not like to tell anyone to get up and leave, but she made sure to play with my nerves today. Unannounced, at 9 AM today, she sent me a text that read "I am gonna come over and bring you the Bake Rolls..." (we met about three days ago, she had bought a croissant and a Bake Rolls for me, sweet gesture, I expressed my likeness towards that). Now considering we have banged almost everytime she's come here and considering I made it clear to her that I have only 45 minutes chance of staying with you cause then I am going to work, I believe it was understood that we would have sex. I have never had any girl before with which I've already have sex come and do this type of thing. I've had girls who I hadn't banged yet pull this sh1t off 2 or 3 times in total, but never girls that we already banged since there is no sense in doing that whatsoever.

The moment I told her to grab her things and leave the room, she turned into a sweet, little angel telling me to "calm down, please" and started touching me all over, kissing my neck and rubbing herself against me. Why? Why these useless games? That's what I won't allow.
 
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If he's going to get so upset that he has to wait a bit, upset enough to leave, he's not up to my standards. He fails my screening.

You guys b1rtch and moan about ladies riding the c0ck carousel but then b1tch and moan when they think the see enough value in you to try to develop a connection with you. It's really no wonder frustration is rampant
Lady, smart of us already know that:
a) About half of women are ready to phuck pretty muscled boy on date no.1 for ONS and later tell BS to decent average guy that "NO ONS!" so please keep that BS to yourself
b) Women "waiting game" is oriented for BF material (different types than CHADs, BF-material are smarter, having their ****-together guys, that are not that hot to be screwed on date 1# because you want to play a holy virgin card on them to make them fall in love)
c) Female psychology does not deal with phucking multiple partners like men psychology do (our psychology is MADE to do that, your is TRAINED to do that and these things are different things really) thus every women (especially several years after their SMV peak which is about 23y old) that do that and is about 30's can be
- deranged
- crazy
- entitled
- waste of time
- trying to stay worthy (it's difficult when you have ridden **** carousel and partied crazy for a while)
- 'late bloomer' on dating market (then you are very lucky as a guy, however this probability is very low)

IMO the thing about nowadays dating as a guy in his 30's or late 20's is honestly not giving a phuck about anything beyond first meeting really unless woman will show her submissive nature and readiness to be like that for man

No invitation should be made for nothing. 'Just because she's hot'. Yeah, so what?

Coffe is rather casual and equal even if men initiate - because man should initiate but only for high amount of IOI women - but if she won't call you/message you to say simple "thanks for invitation" after the meeting then it's a RED FLAG yet again.

Man is a guardian of relationship status, woman is guardian of sex, thus the relationship starts after female is intimate with her partner because man should 'ratify' this status (and it often works best just like that). Because woman always aims up not on her level.

Man is rising his SMV constantly until about 41/42 if he does all the correct moves. Woman SMV drops steadily after reaching 28/29 years old, and correct moves do not matter really as women are supposed to make you want to have offspring with them - NOT to be companion really. Companionship is secondary purpose for the man, primary only for beta/lower category of males.

Companionship is redundant for men if woman cannot provide offspring. It's a pussification of males, some **** they add to the food or tons of porn that override male brains that men think that steady supply of SEX is THE THING.

No its phucking not. Actually the thing is when your SMV skyrockets, you check in on females around you and you see that they are more interested in you. That's THE THING. The most happy man is when he is IN CONTROL to the largest possible extent in his life and this extends to women.

If she won't show that she is really interested more than once about second date then she should be left alone for another guy. That's my modus operandi right now.

So here I am 33, not giving a phuck and currently 26 old well educated woman wants to phuck me. And I say "hmm, not sure babe, work, no time, cant do it :<" and guess what? She is even more interested.

Its because I don't give a phuck really, and I really do not. My SMV will go much higher this year because plans I made several years ago finally start to show nice fruits here and there.

Man is supposed to be about stars in the sky, limitless horizon, offspring is just a sad necessity when you are reaching limit of your possibilities and understand that stars are beyond your reach and will always remain like that. Until that time you are not allowed to think that you need women.

No, you don't. This generation of guys that live and that's young nowadays does not understand it exactly because it has so much time to fool around and we men loose ourselves in ocean of activities wasting time. Computer games, facebook, dating apps, whatever, while first and foremost we should try to reach our limits. Not eventually but today, always.

Many great men did not have offspring but we all know their names. You don't need to be famous in Albert Einstein way and for sure you should not try to be famous in a reality show. What you should try to do as a man is being the best possible version of yourself, egoistical, brutal if you need to be. Efficient. Merciless in reaching your limits. Forgiving only to yourself as its necessary to try again and you need to try again because thats what man should do.

And if you will be satisfied about your level on focus, then you may give some of this focus to woman. Not the other way around.

That's why OP being worried about 'plate refusing sex' is hillarious as if she is just a plate then what's with the butthurt and starting thread about it on SS? GF refusing sex - sure I can understand even if its needy. Plate? Thread? Really? Actually she showed that she has some self-worth which is a positive thing about people. There's no such thing like a sport-phucking. Even for men.

Power should be conserved and used wisely, this rule does include p.hucking.
 

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Only insecure girls would use sex as negotiation. If you as a woman are sure you have got other values except for being bangable, then you need not worry about anything. Most women nowadays haven't got much more than possy power. If you have no values or are insecure about them, why the hell do I have to find them for you?

I have a girlfriend since 4 months. We kept having sex for about 5-6 months and she never pushed for a relationship, she understood how I like it and she won that. Now some people here might say "well who do you think you are that other people have to deserve you?". Women hold the gates to sex, men hold the gates to relationship. You don't see men strutting around pretending sex right away, do you? Men are willing to wait one or two or even three dates. We don't go around complaining we don't get no sex. Getting sex is partly a skill, just like getting a relationship is. This is why I don't buy this bullchit.

If I was charming/good enough to get your sex quickly, why do I have to gift you a relationship? This girl is not worthy a relationship. I was heading for a shooting today with two clients, she kinda ruined my mood. My mood is important to me, I am an artist, need to be on form mentally to produce good work. She didn't give a Fack about that. She ain't getting a relationship, not from me.
I hope you don't feel like I was judging your approach to women.
Here's what you're selectively choosing not to understand, although I've explained this to you.

There is no redemption in this Game. There is no riding the **** carousel, then "see enough value to develop connection" (by withholding sex lol). If you rode the carousel then your values are proven, so act congruent.
But you're pre judging strangers, assuming they have been easy before but have not decided to play a game with you.
 

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Lady, smart of us already know that:
a) About half of women are ready to phuck pretty muscled boy on date no.1 for ONS and later tell BS to decent average guy that "NO ONS!" so please keep that BS to yourself
b) Women "waiting game" is oriented for BF material (different types than CHADs, BF-material are smarter, having their ****-together guys, that are not that hot to be screwed on date 1# because you want to play a holy virgin card on them to make them fall in love)
c) Female psychology does not deal with phucking multiple partners like men psychology do (our psychology is MADE to do that, your is TRAINED to do that and these things are different things really) thus every women (especially several years after their SMV peak which is about 23y old) that do that and is about 30's can be
- deranged
- crazy
- entitled
- waste of time
- trying to stay worthy (it's difficult when you have ridden **** carousel and partied crazy for a while)
- 'late bloomer' on dating market (then you are very lucky as a guy, however this probability is very low)

IMO the thing about nowadays dating as a guy in his 30's or late 20's is honestly not giving a phuck about anything beyond first meeting really unless woman will show her submissive nature and readiness to be like that for man

No invitation should be made for nothing. 'Just because she's hot'. Yeah, so what?

Coffe is rather casual and equal even if men initiate - because man should initiate but only for high amount of IOI women - but if she won't call you/message you to say simple "thanks for invitation" after the meeting then it's a RED FLAG yet again.

Man is a guardian of relationship status, woman is guardian of sex, thus the relationship starts after female is intimate with her partner because man should 'ratify' this status (and it often works best just like that). Because woman always aims up not on her level.

Man is rising his SMV constantly until about 41/42 if he does all the correct moves. Woman SMV drops steadily after reaching 28/29 years old, and correct moves do not matter really as women are supposed to make you want to have offspring with them - NOT to be companion really. Companionship is secondary purpose for the man, primary only for beta/lower category of males.

Companionship is redundant for men if woman cannot provide offspring. It's a pussification of males, some **** they add to the food or tons of porn that override male brains that men think that steady supply of SEX is THE THING.

No its phucking not. Actually the thing is when your SMV skyrockets, you check in on females around you and you see that they are more interested in you. That's THE THING. The most happy man is when he is IN CONTROL to the largest possible extent in his life and this extends to women.

If she won't show that she is really interested more than once about second date then she should be left alone for another guy. That's my modus operandi right now.

So here I am 33, not giving a phuck and currently 26 old well educated woman wants to phuck me. And I say "hmm, not sure babe, work, no time, cant do it :<" and guess what? She is even more interested.

Its because I don't give a phuck really, and I really do not. My SMV will go much higher this year because plans I made several years ago finally start to show nice fruits here and there.

Man is supposed to be about stars in the sky, limitless horizon, offspring is just a sad necessity when you are reaching limit of your possibilities and understand that stars are beyond your reach and will always remain like that. Until that time you are not allowed to think that you need women.

No, you don't. This generation of guys that live and that's young nowadays does not understand it exactly because it has so much time to fool around and we men loose ourselves in ocean of activities wasting time. Computer games, facebook, dating apps, whatever, while first and foremost we should try to reach our limits. Not eventually but today, always.

Many great men did not have offspring but we all know their names. You don't need to be famous in Albert Einstein way and for sure you should not try to be famous in a reality show. What you should try to do as a man is being the best possible version of yourself, egoistical, brutal if you need to be. Efficient. Merciless in reaching your limits. Forgiving only to yourself as its necessary to try again and you need to try again because thats what man should do.

And if you will be satisfied about your level on focus, then you may give some of this focus to woman. Not the other way around.

That's why OP being worried about 'plate refusing sex' is hillarious as if she is just a plate then what's with the butthurt and starting thread about it on SS? GF refusing sex - sure I can understand even if its needy. Plate? Thread? Really? Actually she showed that she has some self-worth which is a positive thing about people. There's no such thing like a sport-phucking. Even for men.

Power should be conserved and used wisely, this rule does include p.hucking.
It was a good read until the part where you think I'm butthurt. I start threads here here and there when I have some doubts in my mind about a situation. This is the place I come to brainstorm, see what the other guys say. You have good thoughts and I'd be willing to listen more if you didn't get to "OP's post is hilarious, he got butthurt about a plate". I got butthurt more with myself for allowing her to disrupt my inspiration for my work, not that I didn;t have sex with her, I am to my throat with sex so much so I plan the week so that I don't get burned out having sex.
 
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It was a good read until the part where you think I'm butthurt. I start threads here here and there when I have some doubts in my mind about a situation. This is the place I come to brainstorm, see what the other guys say. You have good thoughts and I'd be willing to listen more if you didn't get to "OP's post is hilarious, he got butthurt about a plate". I got butthurt more with myself for allowing her to disrupt my inspiration for my work, not that I didn;t have sex with her, I am to my throat with sex so much so I plan the week so that I don't get burned out having sex.
I organise my date/sex nights in a week into Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

Sunday is alone day and the rest is nights spent with customers/friends.

This is something that has worked well for me for years.
 

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But you're pre judging strangers, assuming they have been easy before but have not decided to play a game with you.
It's really not that difficult to determine, as I said before a sexually demure woman is borderline unicorn in 2019. The overwhelming majority of women I've dated put out within the first 2 dates.
 
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I will most probably drop her off and won't see her again because she is as unpredictable and unstable as the fackin weather. But stop making her dumb and a victim. She is a declared NPD and is spoiled as hell. Now that someone doesn't play her games, she's trying everything to "win".
You played it perfectly then.
 
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