"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Dates that make them weak at the knees...

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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Club them in the back of the legs with a tire iron, that should make them weak at the knees.

On a serious note, I do this thing on dates with women where when I'm driving us home from a restaurant or wherever we may be that I'll ask them "long route or short route?" when we get to certain intersections, if they had a good time and are playful they'll say "long route" and you take a longer route to get home. This gives you more time to talk together and have fun, joke around, etc. A girl has mentioned feeling like she was on cloud 9 when I did this after the date because we had great chemistry and kept looking at each other in the car. It also shows you want to spend more time with the woman which makes her happy.

Other options are just going to a beach at night after your date (although this can be cliche women love it) and just walking around and then finding a secluded spot (under a pier or somewhere) and making a move. Girls like being taken by surprise with **** stuff.

I like the woods personally, there's a lot of nice parks near me and something about being in the forest with a woman and the moonlight shining through the darkness really turns women on. Plus you have plenty of privacy with the girl and depending on where you live (some have streams or lakes) that are romantic places to set up a hook up.
 
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There's no such thing as perfect, therefore there cannot be such a thing as 'the perfect date' and why would you want it to be that way? Imperfection is what makes life special. Forget about making perfect, just relax and roll with the punches and above all else just have fun.
 

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perseverance said:
There's no such thing as perfect, therefore there cannot be such a thing as 'the perfect date' and why would you want it to be that way? Imperfection is what makes life special. Forget about making perfect, just relax and roll with the punches and above all else just have fun.
Perfection is contextual.

I would say a perfect date simply "depends".

Do both parties feel positive at the end of it? did anything go wrong? if it's a later date (say 3rd or 4th), then both parties can plan it.
 
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ilikecharlene said:
Perfection is contextual.

I would say a perfect date simply "depends".

Do both parties feel positive at the end of it? did anything go wrong? if it's a later date (say 3rd or 4th), then both parties can plan it.
Perfect doesn't exist.

A date can go really well and yet nothing materialises after it, or a date can go badly in your mind and well in her mind and BANG, you find yourself on date number two.

People who strive for perfection are destined for abject failure.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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think you all got caught up with the word perfect.

how about just great date ideas? better than drinks or dinner sort of thing. something they'll remember.
 
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Use your imagination.

There's a million and one things you can do on a date.

Hiking, wine tasting, bowling, visiting the zoo, going to an aquarium, going to an amusement park.

The list really is endless, you can even take her to the theatre to watch a play if you wanted to.
 

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MrNiceGuy23 said:
I like the woods personally, there's a lot of nice parks near me and something about being in the forest with a woman and the moonlight shining through the darkness really turns women on.

MrNiceGuy23: So I had a really great time tonight. How about we take a nice stroll through the woods? I know a good place not too far from here, it's really dark and we'll have tons of privacy so no one can hear what we are doing.

Woman: *Calls 911*
 

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MrNiceGuy23: So I had a really great time tonight. How about we take a nice stroll through the woods? I know a good place not too far from here, it's really dark and we'll have tons of privacy so no one can hear what we are doing.

Woman: *Calls 911*
You obviously don't go out with women much do you? Or if you do you very seldom have success to the point where they want to continue hanging out with you beyond the meal, movie, etc.

I said in my post there are lots of parks near me, you're obviously not going to pull over to the side of the road and just walk into some random patch of woods.

I've actually had women suggest to me that we should stop by the park at night after I took them to dinner, so the only one who thinks it's creepy seems to be you; again probably because the women you take out are so creeped out before the meal ends that they end up calling a taxi to go home because they fear for their life during the ride home.
 

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perseverance said:
Perfect doesn't exist.

A date can go really well and yet nothing materialises after it, or a date can go badly in your mind and well in her mind and BANG, you find yourself on date number two.

People who strive for perfection are destined for abject failure.
Which is why I said it depends.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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dbx said:
think you all got caught up with the word perfect.

how about just great date ideas? better than drinks or dinner sort of thing. something they'll remember.
I don't think location has ever helped me on a date. It's about drinks, me being comfortable, and letting my personality come through. And I can normally do this at bars.

As far as great date ideas, I'd say just pick whatever reflects your personality. Not the girls.

Too many guys worry about what the girl likes, and position the date around the girl's interests instead of his own. Put yourself in a position to be the star.

If you're into the art scene, go to an art showing. If you're into dive bars, take her for whiskey and a game of pool. Your personality will make the girl "weak in the knees." Not he venue. So put yourself in the best position for your personality to shine.
 

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You obviously don't go out with women much do you? Or if you do you very seldom have success to the point where they want to continue hanging out with you beyond the meal, movie, etc.

I said in my post there are lots of parks near me, you're obviously not going to pull over to the side of the road and just walk into some random patch of woods.

I've actually had women suggest to me that we should stop by the park at night after I took them to dinner, so the only one who thinks it's creepy seems to be you; again probably because the women you take out are so creeped out before the meal ends that they end up calling a taxi to go home because they fear for their life during the ride home.
Woah calm down there tough guy. No sense in taking a good-humored post too seriously and start to put down the other person with insults to seem more "alpha" or "Don Juanish".

Either you can't take some light jokes, or someone DID call 911 on you. Hit a nerve did I eh? Was it pretty awkward after she made the phone call?




Lol anyways, the most important thing to remember is to pick somewhere or do something that makes you feel comfortable. First and foremost, on a date you have to be comfortable with :

1) Yourself

2) Talking to other people

3) Your surroundings


If you feel awkward and nervous because you picked somewhere where you can't get into a relaxed confident comfort zone, she will instantly pick up on that and be turned off. If you are comfortable and confident, it makes her realize that it is okay to keep on interacting with you and take the relationship and/or interaction to the next level.

Basically if:

You're Comfortable = She's Automatically More Comfortable
 

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Woah calm down there tough guy. No sense in taking a good-humored post too seriously and start to put down the other person with insults to seem more "alpha" or "Don Juanish".

Either you can't take some light jokes, or someone DID call 911 on you. Hit a nerve did I eh? Was it pretty awkward after she made the phone call?
You didn't post anything to contribute the OP's reason for starting the thread. As such, you posted solely to make a jab at what I said.

I'm not putting you down, you made a joke implying I'm a creep, I called you out for having no game with women because the idea of going for a late night walk with a woman seemed so baffling to you.

I don't have to seem more alpha.
 

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You didn't post anything to contribute the OP's reason for starting the thread. As such, you posted solely to make a jab at what I said.

I'm not putting you down, you made a joke implying I'm a creep, I called you out for having no game with women because the idea of going for a late night walk with a woman seemed so baffling to you.

I don't have to seem more alpha.


Disappointing to see how light bantering these days is quickly escalated into exaggerations such as "the idea of going for a late night walk with a woman seemed so baffling to you" and how I "seldom have success to the point where they want to continue hanging out with you beyond the meal, movie, etc."

Obviously not true, but hey if it makes you feel that much better about your "late night walks", go for it.

Merely putting some humor into this very bleak thread. Not sure if you hang around guys a lot, but this is how generally guys joke around. Advice, stop taking everything so personally.


As for this...
I don't have to seem more alpha
Nice low-key attempt at seeming condescending and "naturally" more alpha.

Alas... lace 'em up bud. Time to take a lap.

~ 'Merica.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Dates that make them weak at the knees...

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Whatever you do during the date, make sure you try to kiss her at the end. Otherwise you are no different to her than her cousin.
 

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As for this...


Nice low-key attempt at seeming condescending and "naturally" more alpha.

Alas... lace 'em up bud. Time to take a lap.

~ 'Merica.
Aren't you in a frat? That speaks for itself.
 

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Aren't you in a frat? That speaks for itself.
That makes no sense.

Nice fail with the lame attempt of insulting the fraternal system because you couldn't come up with something better. :rolleyes:
 
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