“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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And to @BPH please explain what you mean by "keeping the door open."

If you mean pursuing your other options and if she reaches out later and suggests to meet, cool! I'm all for that.

If you mean continuing to text her, engaging her and suggesting different ideas she might be agreeable to (after turning you down), to me that's chasing.
 
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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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That's become far less common over time. Voice conversations before meeting were more common in the era of dating websites than dating apps. Fewer people are willing to talk on the telephone anymore so it hasn't been as common since the early to mid 2010s.
Dudes have caught on most phone calls from dating apps are interviews at best or interrogations. Might be why Cats likes them so much.
 

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And to @BPH please explain what you mean by "keeping the door open."

If you mean pursuing your other options and if she reaches out later and suggests to meet, cool! I'm all for that.

If you mean continuing to text her, engaging her and suggesting different ideas she might be agreeable to (after turning you down), to me that's chasing.
I'm simply saying you don't have to cut her off.

Responding to a text. Allowing her to offer a date reschedule. These cost nothing.

@Clockwerk50 summarized the purpose of this thread most succintly:
The takeaway is to give ambiguous signals a chance while recognizing true negatives to avoid chasing dead ends.
 

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Dudes have caught on most phone calls from dating apps are interviews at best or interrogations.
I don't think most men have experienced more first dates turning into second dates as a result of pre-date phone calls from dating websites/dating apps. That would be one reason why these phone calls aren't happening.

In general, Millennials and Gen Z don't like voice calling either.
 

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I don't think most men have experienced more first dates turning into second dates as a result of pre-date phone calls from dating websites/dating apps. That would be one reason why these phone calls aren't happening.

In general, Millennials and Gen Z don't like voice calling either.
I would imagine this is due to women instigating these calls, women who typically happen to be skeptical to begin with.
 

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I would imagine this is due to women instigating these calls, women who typically happen to be skeptical to begin with.
That is possible. I can imagine some men instigate calls to try to improve date outcomes but I can also imagine women instigating them too.
 

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The simple way for Nick to respond to such a woman is akin to the @Glassguy way.....

Ok. No problem. Reach out if you get free.

I'd suggest a response along the lines of:

No worries on the drinking. If coffee is more your speed, let me know when you get free.

Either of those responses you are still polite, you keep frame, and you are indicating openess to a meet up.

And then you go radio silent. You respond ONLY if she reaches out, and you get straight to the point: Ready to grab coffee?

If her response is anything other than yes, then you say Gotta run. Meeting some friends :).

And that's IT.

Repeat as needed ONLY if she reaches out. This way you leave the door open but you are no longer making effort unless warranted.
 

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The inspiration for this thread comes from my recent conversation working with @nicksaiz65 , which got me thinking about my own experiences. Considering it is the nature of this forum to have an ego when dealing with what they perceive to be disrespect or low interest from women, I wanted to offer this piece of advice.

@nicksaiz65 and I were having a conversation about a girl who matched with him on a dating app. He invited her for drinks and asked for her number, which she politely declined, saying she doesn't drink and isn't in the habit of giving her number out so soon. Before he told me about this, he didn't plan to message her back, as he assumed that was a sign of low interest. I immediately suggested he message her back, stating that until that point she had seemed interested in the conversation (SHE liked HIM on the app...AND messaged first), and provided the reason she was declining. I advised him to offer her an alternative, both in the form of the date (coffee, for example), and in terms of keeping in contact without a phone number (Instagram, Snapchat).

Now, things may not progress...but we don't know that yet. All we know is that by not responding to that message, the conversation is essentially dead, and she now thinks YOU are ghosting HER.

Play it out. You have nothing to lose.

You're not banging her now, so why not keep things going and maybe bang her in the future? Was it low interest, or was she just busy? Is she being difficult, or does she have a reason she doesn't give out her number?

The only thing you're sacrificing is your ego.

You could come here, tell us all a story about how you "didn't tolerate any disrespect" when she dared to suggest rescheduling the date because something came up at the last minute. Maybe your post would get some likes, some high fives, and the approval of unknown internet guys who agreed with your decision.

Or you could get laid.

Your choice.

If I cut off a woman every time I felt that she was ghosting me or showing me signs of low interest, I wouldn't be getting laid nearly as much as I do...
  • I wouldn't have fu**ed my long-term FWB again last Wednesday or Friday, or back in August, if I'd assumed she was ghosting me, when in reality, she was busy dealing with family drama.
  • I wouldn't have fu**ed the French au pair I bought the hotel room with if I'd perceived her shyness to engage in PDA by not kissing me in the bar as a sign of low interest.
  • I wouldn't have fu**ed the hot college chick back in April that wanted our date to be early enough for her to go out with her friends afterwards if I'd stopped responding to her texts when she made that suggestion.
  • I wouldn't have fu**ed the girl from the Dominican Republic who was visiting in Philly for New Year's if I'd thought her short, infrequent texts were a sign of low interest, rather than a byproduct of a language barrier.
And these are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head from this year alone. I'm sure there are many more if I decided to stop and think hard about it.

Play it out. You have nothing to lose.
I think the most important thing is that if a chick wants you, she won't make it difficult to get with her. If she has your contact info, and you attempt a contact, but she doesn't get back to you; she doesn't want you.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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You bring up a very good point!

The problem with forums like this and other such forums is that when people tell their stories, we are only hearing one side, the side of the person who experienced it, typically the OP.

And in this case it wasn't even the person who experienced it @nicksaiz65 , it was second hand from BPH!

Anyway...

BPH said she opened nick and initially sent lengthy wordy texts....

What we don't know is how nick responded and how she interpreted his responses.

For example, it's possible that somewhere along the way after she opened him and they were chatting, he said something not to her liking or was turned off by his vibe.or something....

I am speculating of course as nick has not shared what their texts consisted of BUT...

IF say she got the impression he was a player/fboy (he did admit to us his goal was to get laid after all) that might explain her going backwards and even may explain her snarky/cold "I don't drink" in response to his date invite for drinks...

There's a whole lot of context missing which I think would be helpful and I'd be real interested in hearing her side of things to get a full picture of what actually went down between them.

What's that saying?

"There are three sides to every story: his side, her side, and the truth."
As men, there’s only 3 things that women buy from us. Status, feeling (emotional states) and connection.

There isn’t an infinite buffet of things women are attracted to when it comes to men. It’s just 3 things. In every single field report you can easily diagnose what was missing. Either the guy was low status, didn’t create positive emotional states, or was unable to connect with her on a genuine and human level.

I suspect 90% of failed field reports on this forum comes down to lack of connection. I’ll give the guy the benefit of the doubt that he’s been able to elevate his status. And with enough game, he’s able to create positive emotional states that attract women.

But the last 10% of calibration usually has to do with lack of connection. This is why whenever I talk about being attainable to women, connecting with them on a human level, and finding out what is unique about her, I usually hear crickets.

Connecting with women gets a bad rap in this forum and the seduction community. This is because it’s usually low status nice guys who try to connect with women and fail horribly.

But a high status guy who can connect with women can create epic romances and passionate sexual flings.

Most guys are reformed AFC’s (average frustrated chumps.) They are still haunted by their failed attempts to connect with women when they were losers. And so, they have PTSD when it comes to connection.

But you can’t truly become a Don Juan if you don’t know how to connect with women without fear.

A high value guy connecting with a woman is doing her a favor. A low value guy trying to connect with women repulses them.

Connection is not the enemy. Lack of status is the real culprit.
 

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Nothing is at stake in couples. Once respect for a person is lost, it never comes back, and if it does, it's a joke, folks. It's a lack of alternatives.
So it's NOT OVER for IfSheLacksAlternativesCels?
 

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I see a difference between the OP’s examples and the situation in the text exchange.

@BPH examples show how to avoid false negatives and how to not misread neutral or situational signals as rejection.

@nicksaiz65 example shows how to recognize a true negative since she’s giving unambiguous “no’s” and leaving him nothing to work with to connect.

The takeaway is to give ambiguous signals a chance while recognizing true negatives to avoid chasing dead ends.
Greatly worded.

The thing is tho, most men are simps. Most men will try over and over again once they get a glimpse of hope. So most, likely 99% of us, will NATURALLY reengage when a woman slips away from us. All it takes is some morning wood to be like let me try one more time..so I don't believe that men here and in general will " strictly follow the rules" and get to blame tgis type of advice on let's say the forum.

The real issue is most men DON'T have standards and train themselves to stay that way. Ofcourse you cab shoot again, but let's be honest: at best you're getting a 60% interested woman. I can tell from experience that it is NOT a great foundation. The 60 is a stretch. Probably more like 40/ 30%. She is busy with other dudes and she will leave in a heartbeat.

The reason why men are telling each other to be strict like this is because it helps to create a PERSONAL LAW. E.g: " I only deal with highly interested women because...the r.o.i is higher". Most men need strict rules to be able to see the trees in the forest and not get overwhelmed because every woman, every day might present a different challenge.

To me personally it's not a great success when a woman kisses me and leaves it there. That's an L not a W.
 
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