"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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OLD is rigged by the companies according to this video...

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Well just see this video (the sequence from were it starts 6.27 -->finish):

I never really liked OLD apps and sites and never used them much as I like the personal IRL approach. Neitherless its quite interesting to get the confirmation most of us suspect....
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I do think OLD apps are designed to keep you single
They are for profit corporations, so they are designed to make a profit for their owners... it's the job of the marketing department to convince their users that they are designed for something else.
 

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They are for profit corporations, so they are designed to make a profit for their owners... it's the job of the marketing department to convince their users that they are designed for something else.
You are just stating the obvious... ;)
 

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The fake profiles are fairly easy to spot and quite obvious should you interact with them.

The girl in the video needs a lozenge, badly.

You can't help but question her self-awareness when she dolls herself up visually but allows herself to sound like that on audio. And if you have a bad throat condition, don't do videos. It's like having an ugly person be a news anchor. Why?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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They are for profit corporations, so they are designed to make a profit for their owners... it's the job of the marketing department to convince their users that they are designed for something else.
Correct! However the last couple years they have made it more pay to play! Bumble gives you a lot less swipes before you have to pay for the paid version. Same with Tinder. They give you a lot less swipes now before you gotta upgrade. Match has also taken features away.

Even then, the quality on OLD has gone down. Even Match, which up until about May 2020 had a lot of hot chicks. Now it's mostly land whales and post wall. Before covid for OLD terms it had quality women.
 

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Not surprised at all. I'm glad that I don't use the apps.
 

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They make money by showing you ads and selling their service. You hookup, they lose. Facebook dating is free and so is Instagram. IMHO the best apps that are good for dating.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I would average maybe 3 likes in a month.
If I swipe seriosuly I average maybe 10 matches a month and 5 are bots on Tinder
I noticed there aren't a lot of Bots on Bumble and Hinge(not saying they aren't there but it's lower)
OLD in 2022 is a waste of time where I live the average woman

Overweight
single mother
Time waster
Girl just wanting attention
Polygamous chick/wife looking for some sideaction (no thanks)

Every time I use a dating app I just feel like I'm wasting my time even if you get laid it's usually NOT WORTH IT
 

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Every time I use a dating app I just feel like I'm wasting my time even if you get laid it's usually NOT WORTH IT
The time and resources consumed of working hours on dating services vs. the output of investment = Inefficient investment

You be better of just saying "Hi" IRL to a cute girl when you see her in my opinion.

Unless you go "all nerd in" and program/code by yourself an AI that simultaneously allows you to date 49000 women like this dude:

 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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The time and resources consumed of working hours on dating services vs. the output of investment = Inefficient investment

You be better of just saying "Hi" IRL to a cute girl when you see her in my opinion.

Unless you go "all nerd in" and program/code by yourself an AI that simultaneously allows you to date 49000 women like this dude:

This is low-key Genius

The guy basically has a program that talks/sets dates up for him

I wish I was that smart, damn there are a lot of women in NYC
 

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Everyone of the dating sites: MATCH, BUMBLE, POF, OKSTUPID, TINDER and others has been sued numerous times for fraud, manipulation, use of bots, etc. Its a shady con-job where maximizing profits at any expense is the game they play.
 
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But hey "I use it as another option and get laid", and while that statement is slightly true and you can get laid from these platforms, you then ARE the problem. You continue to play their game. You continue to put all the power to women. And worse, you continue to devalue yourself and create a toxic/weak mindset. Like porn, you are tangibly wiring your brain in a very dangerous and isolating way.

Men need to have some dignity and self-worth and walk away from these platforms.

But again, "hey I only use it for this X reason, I don't take it seriously".

This is why I see threads about OLD, I simply do not engage anymore. It's pathetic.


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Everyone of the dating sites: MATCH, BUMBLE, POF, OKSTUPID, TINDER and others has been sued numerous times for fraud, manipulation, use of bots, etc. Its a shady con-job where maximizing profits at any expense is the game they play.
Match LLC owns Match, POF, Tinder, OKC etc. Match was sued and many of the profiles on Match are fake, the hot ones. This is part of the law suit.

That probably explains why the Match LLC owned websites the last couple years have hardly any hot looking women on them anymore because they were fake profiles match made. Took them down due to the legal action.

Because I see a lot of guys on here saying on OLD the last couple years a lot less hot women on it.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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