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Not all lay counts are created equal.

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So as men, we long value how many women a guy has slept with. We consider this as a hallmark for how good a guy is with women or how desirable he is. I am not going to go out and say that lay count means nothing or how men should value actual relationships, that is not the point of my thread. However, I did want to bring up one issue with valuing lay count as I have learned in my recent experience between gaming in two different cities.

Not all lay counts are created equal!

When I was pounding the pavement for a year in Miami, I had inconsistent success with game. I did hit a hot streak in the summer though where daygame netted me 4 lays in that span, I would get a few more after that but it was inconsistent. It took one week in Manhattan for me to get just as many lays. Here is the kicker, America is not even the easiest country I have gamed in. When I was visiting Oslo, Norway during my college days as someone that barely knew about game, I netted two lays in a week and that was barely trying. My friend who was super into game and getting laid netted 5 lays but when he moved back to the US, he could barely get a couple in a week despite his best efforts.

I think of it almost like sports.

I still watch sports a lot even though I have eased off a bit in recent years. Getting a high lay count in a part of the world where the culture is more sexually open and sexually direct is like winning a conference or league that has lackluster competition. For all of my Euro readers on here, it is like winning in a semi-pro world football league.

Getting a high lay count while being in a city or country where the atmosphere is competitive (Australia, Canada, and even many major US cities to a degree) is like winning the English Premier League or the toughest conference in College Football like the SEC (@Jake_Gyllenhaal69 and @Bible_Belt). It is like fighting in a deep and competitive division in boxing when there are other greats and other wolves gunning for your head.

If someone told me that they got a high lay count while living in an Oslo, Paris, Stockholm, or some city in Western Europe with a sexually open culture, I would not look at that as favorably as someone doing the same in a Sydney, Miami, Los Angeles, or Toronto.

I will leave out countries with a repressive culture where you can get killed for sleeping around.

Instead, we need to ask what exactly constitutes their high lay count?

Did they go to a third world country and just sleep with a bunch of hookers?

Did they go to a country where the game is easy and leveraged things such as money and their first world status?

Did they do it all through cold approaching? THAT IS IMPRESSIVE!

Was it through a niche such as being a club owner or something else that would make it woefully easy to sleep with a lot of different women?

Drilling down and asking how they did it and what it constituted of tells you more about a man than the number itself.
 

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Damn dude. Love the way you think. Don’t ever settle.
 

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Damn dude. Love the way you think. Don’t ever settle.
Thank you man haha. I eventually do want to settle but have some personal goals to hit with game. I guess more than anything, I am angry. I am angry that I missed out on so many opportunities. A part of my success in NYC was actually anger. I should have been the guy with the model tier girlfriend in his 20s and the one taking home the hottest girl at the bar. It should have been me but I got in my own way. I have taken a more no nonsense approach to game and once January comes with my health insurance kicking in, I am getting back at it.

My thoughts are, even if the health symptoms I am experiencing are due to Cancer, then I rather live the last years of my life being bold and brave rather than being afraid.

I have learned to use my anger in a good way and it is starting to pay off. I am angry, I feel like I underachieved with women in a big way in my 20s and will spend my early 30s making up for it and by 35, have everything wrapped up.
 

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Thank you man haha. I eventually do want to settle but have some personal goals to hit with game. I guess more than anything, I am angry. I am angry that I missed out on so many opportunities. A part of my success in NYC was actually anger. I should have been the guy with the model tier girlfriend in his 20s and the one taking home the hottest girl at the bar. It should have been me but I got in my own way. I have taken a more no nonsense approach to game and once January comes with my health insurance kicking in, I am getting back at it.

My thoughts are, even if the health symptoms I am experiencing are due to Cancer, then I rather live the last years of my life being bold and brave rather than being afraid.

I have learned to use my anger in a good way and it is starting to pay off. I am angry, I feel like I underachieved with women in a big way in my 20s and will spend my early 30s making up for it and by 35, have everything wrapped up.
You sound like a man ready for a police-ride along with his DEA agent cousin.

Only settle for the best Jesse. No more half-measures. And if you happen to see any young punks banging hot milfs in the upstairs mcmansion bedroom, have his @ss arrested so you can slide on in.
 
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Thank you man haha. I eventually do want to settle but have some personal goals to hit with game. I guess more than anything, I am angry. I am angry that I missed out on so many opportunities. A part of my success in NYC was actually anger. I should have been the guy with the model tier girlfriend in his 20s and the one taking home the hottest girl at the bar. It should have been me but I got in my own way. I have taken a more no nonsense approach to game and once January comes with my health insurance kicking in, I am getting back at it.

My thoughts are, even if the health symptoms I am experiencing are due to Cancer, then I rather live the last years of my life being bold and brave rather than being afraid.

I have learned to use my anger in a good way and it is starting to pay off. I am angry, I feel like I underachieved with women in a big way in my 20s and will spend my early 30s making up for it and by 35, have everything wrapped up.
Omg

I have so many thoughts. Holding my cell right now at 12:35 isn’t going to do justice.

don’t look In the rear view- I’m 38 with 3 kids.If you put yourself back 15 years as a broke entry level guy in Murray hill, sure you’re fvcking girls like it’s college if you say you’re on the right career path but you’re so much more distinguished now, it’s so much easier to pull that same ass as you get older.

I am going to say something more thoughtful when I get a bit of sleep. I am thinking of you and rooting for you
 

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Just like in sports, nobody cares how easy the road is to where you got to, only your record at the end of the season. Results matter, all the rest is mental masturbation.
 

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Just like in sports, nobody cares how easy the road is to where you got to, only your record at the end of the season. Results matter, all the rest is mental masturbation.
We are both sports fans so let's have a discussion here.

A guy getting laid in an easy environment in like the Notre Dame Football team from 2012 that went undefeated until it reached the national title game and played Alabama. Once you come up against a tough obstacle or a tough environment, you get hammered, beaten, and exposed to the world.
 

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So as men, we long value how many women a guy has slept with. We consider this as a hallmark for how good a guy is with women
Only beta males think like that. Any man who is actually good with women would tell you that quantity means nothing if the quality is not there. If all you care about is getting your d!ck wet, you can get laid quite easily, even in a tough market like Miami or Toronto. It’s banging desirable women (i.e. top 20%) that poses a challenge.
 

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Only beta males think like that. Any man who is actually good with women would tell you that quantity means nothing if the quality is not there. If all you care about is getting your d!ck wet, you can get laid quite easily, even in a tough market like Miami or Toronto. It’s banging desirable women (i.e. top 20%) that poses a challenge.
Uh oh what is this? I am feeling it. I don't see any pigs flying. Are somewhat agreeing on something here @Bokanovsky lol!

Anyways man, I agree. Getting a lay count of women worth sleeping with (let's say 6s and up) is tough. I find it hard to believe that any guy can hit triple digits with his lay count if that was the standard. I mean he could in a span of say 5 years but in a year? Rough.

However, I would argue that even getting plain girls in a tough market is hard to do.
 

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I agree and kind of disagree

1). I believe one-night stands are glorified masturbation- They are only good if you are going through a dry period or inexperienced. The only exception is if you know you can only fvck the girl once in your life. Otherwise, if I gain an One Night Stand then I think I did something wrong lol.

2). However, it takes some skill to get over 10 lays with most men- Your average guy isn't going to just get lucky and fvck 10 different girls with zero skill.

3). The unnatural Giga Chad will run out of steam eventually- The young Chads or the guys relying on some competitive advantage end up hitting the wall because they never learned the true skills of attracting women naturally. Most of the top guys I knew in HS or College are either bums or settled in relationships and are in those glow down relationships with the women they folded with lol.
 

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Uh oh what is this? I am feeling it. I don't see any pigs flying. Are somewhat agreeing on something here @Bokanovsky lol!

Anyways man, I agree. Getting a lay count of women worth sleeping with (let's say 6s and up) is tough. I find it hard to believe that any guy can hit triple digits with his lay count if that was the standard. I mean he could in a span of say 5 years but in a year? Rough.

However, I would argue that even getting plain girls in a tough market is hard to do.
I would not say that 6’s are hard even in a sausage fest market like Toronto, Miami, etc. As long as you have decent fundamentals (i.e. not too short, ugly, etc.) and are not socially retarded, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

You don’t even need much game to bang 6’s. There are so many of them everywhere and contrary to what you might read on this forum, Chads and millionaires are not queuing up to get into their pants.

Even 7’s aren’t that difficult. Now 8’s and above is where things get tough because of intense completion. Those are the type of women that require tight game, money and social status. But 6’s? All you need is a functional pen!s and not being homeless (I’m exaggerating but not by much).
 
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High quality young chicks trump quantity anyday my dudes. I’d rather bang one 9 than 10 mediocre looking women. But there’s always a time and place for everything, peaks and valleys
 

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If she was hot and fit enough for the d|ck to get hard, I didn't get accused of r@pe when it was over, and I didn't catch anything; I call it knotch count +1. I do understand the logic of not adding in a hooker to the knotch count, though. But otherwise, fair game.,
 

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If she was hot and fit enough for the d|ck to get hard, I didn't get accused of r@pe when it was over, and I didn't catch anything; I call it knotch count +1. I do understand the logic of not adding in a hooker to the knotch count, though. But otherwise, fair game.,
Hookers are just glorified masturbation with a price tag
 

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Most of my lays were 90% cold approached. I always went for the Women who I thought were very sexy.

Have I dabbled into the 5-6 range, yes very limited but I can say that after those lays, I didn't feel like a true "Playboy". I don't know how some guys do it thinking a lay is a lay because IMO it is not. The satisfaction isn't there with an average to less than average chick.

When I was banging Women who would literally be hounded by guys but I was getting that pvssy, there was great satisfaction and ego boosting.

Same with escorts. I never went down this route but one time for one of my friends B-day, he said he wanted to get laid so I got us 2 Escorts. One for me and one for him.

He was doing his thing but as for me? lol My D*ck wouldn't stay hard and the escort got kind of upset and asked me "You aren't attracted to me!?" lol I probably bruised her ego pretty hard but whatever. I thought that maybe something was wrong with me as I even took a Cialis.

The following weekend, I met up with one of my FWB. Curly Blonde hair, Blue eyes and massive natural t*ts... I went to town on that ass and I was hard as a rock.

IMO, Quality is more important than quantity.
 
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To me, a true don juan doesn't lay women for the ego boost, but for the sexual bonding. Did the great Don Juan of the story do it for ego? As long as the woman passes the boner test, that's all that should matter.
 

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I would not say that 6’s are hard even in a sausage fest market like Toronto, Miami, etc. As long as you have decent fundamentals (i.e. not too short, ugly, etc.) and are not socially retarded, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

You don’t even need much game to bang 6’s. There are so many of them everywhere and contrary to what you might read on this forum, Chads and millionaires are not queuing up to get into their pants.

Even 7’s aren’t that difficult. Now 8’s and above is where things get tough because of intense completion. Those are the type of women that require tight game, money and social status. But 6’s? All you need is a functional pen!s and not being homeless (I’m exaggerating but not by much).
Something tells me your definition of "6" is a pretty liberal one. Men are generally bottom feeders. If it were so easy there wouldn't be so many incels and incel-adjacents.

IMO, Quality is more important than quantity.
That's all well and good until you move someplace like Washington DC. At that point, quantity is your only succor.
 
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Most of my lays were 90% cold approached. I always went for the Women who I thought were very sexy.

Have I dabbled into the 5-6 range, yes very limited but I can say that after those lays, I didn't feel like a true "Playboy". I don't know how some guys do it thinking a lay is a lay because IMO it is not. The satisfaction isn't there with an average to less than average chick.

When I was banging Women who would literally be hounded by guys but I was getting that pvssy, there was great satisfaction and ego boosting.

Same with escorts. I never went down this route but one time for one of my friends B-day, he said he wanted to get laid so I got us 2 Escorts. One for me and one for him.

He was doing his thing but as for me? lol My D*ck wouldn't stay hard and the escort got kind of upset and asked me "You aren't attracted to me!?" lol I probably bruised her ego pretty hard but whatever. I thought that maybe something was wrong with me as I even took a Cialis.

The following weekend, I met up with one of my FWB. Curly Blonde hair, Blue eyes and massive natural t*ts... I went to town on that ass and I was hard as a rock.

IMO, Quality is more important than quantity.
Agree and disagree to some disagree. Banging a hot escort is definitely a great experience although it should not count as a lay count. However, even quality is relative.

Banging an 8 in a smaller city in the US and even NYC is far more impressive than doing it in some Eastern European or Scandinavian country where women on average look better. I mean a lay count of 100 in a Denmark is probably equivalent to a lay count of 10 in NYC for example.
 

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Hookers are just glorified masturbation with a price tag
Yes and no but they do have their place. I do not count screwing escorts as a lay at all but when you are having your dry months and other stuff going on, it would be amazing to be able to screw an attractive woman and have fun with her during those moments. I wish prostitution was legal, it would solve so many social problems.
 
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