She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
couldn't have said it better myselfMantis Toboggan said:You might be right. But you're also a bit of a whiner, which is a byproduct of your lack of a success with women.
So I don't think that your experience with women is relative to ALL men's experience with women.
Basically, what I'm saying is I get along with North American women just fine. Some suck. Some are cool. And thats just how it is.
LiveFreeX said:Now a word about western broads here (britian, canada, america) etc etc
THey cannot get a date to save their lives... I work with a nice canadian lady who is about 200 lbs overweight, 30 y/o, tattoos front and back and complains bitterly that she cannot find a date. So she has turned *drum roll* to lesbianism... yup... tells me up and down that she is bisexual and has sex with lots of girls. Infact unless you are super model hot here you will NOT get a date with a guy. Their political correctness falls on deaf ears and many end up turning gay/fat or going home. All of this 'backpacker' nonsense lasts about a year before they are scurrying back to their holes as fast as their hoofs will carry them.
Its very entertaining and worth the price of admission... so if you are not travelling to date women, you should at least come here to see what happens to a typical western woman when she is surrounded by REGULAR RESPECTFUL eastern attitude/culture.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
floydb25 said:I wonder exactly which part of the US you guys live in. From my experience, people in the south are more friendly, polite, down to earth, less shallow, etc, compared to their northern counterparts. I'm northern, and even I can see that. The people up north were loud, rude, aggressive, promiscuous, arrogant, obsessed with status, etc. I hear the same thing from a lot of people, and most of the obnoxious people who live down here are from the north. A lot of us decent northerners are migraters, 'cause we couldn't stand it anymore. There were very few quality people up there. Down here its more traditional. Everyone seems to be married, and quite happy. Not a lot of drama or noise. Very few bad people.
Maybe changing location is a good idea, if everyone in your area is ****. I had to do it, or else it was never going to change. You can't associate with quality people if they don't exist, eh? The ratio changed from 80 to 20 when I moved - 80% ****, to 80% quality. Love it; never going back. A lot of migraters I run into say the same thing, and have similar stories and experiences to share.
I moved to SE North Carolina, by the way. Great place. Lots of nice people. But it takes a while to get used to such a drastic change - it doesn't happen overnight.
I'm definitely curious where a lot of you guys - especially the bitter ones - are located in the US. I was the same way before, when I lived up north. Lots of *****es and skanks.
The people on PoF are still garbage, though. Some decent ones on OK Cupid, but they get nabbed up quick.
They aren't supposed to be , that should give you confidence , then in turn that confidence will impress the girls , when you use it properly .gspshields2 said:I can bench over 330 pounds on Earth and no girl is ever impressed by that, no one cares, U could workout all day everyday and the girls here won't give a s**t. Sorry about my ranting and complaining, just had to vent.
gspshields2 said:1) I don’t have the dateless life abroad that I do in America. So if the problem is me, then why don’t I have the same problems overseas? Anyone who sees my Photo Collage will instantly see this: http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Collage.htm
2) In other countries there are not oodles of dateless men like there are in America. There aren’t Pick-Up-Artist/Seduction Gurus marketing seminars and books to guys on how to pick up girls like there are in the US. Normal healthy societies don’t need that. Dating and relationships are more natural overseas, not dysfunctional and F ed up. What does that tell you? This problem is on a large scale in America, not just limited to me and a few “losers”.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
I been overseas before and met a upper-middle class girl, she probably had more money than me and refused to let me pay the bill, we split it on dinner.cablecow15 said:It seems that these places you go , make it pretty obvious you have money.
could it be possible that these women are aware of this seeing as where your from is most likely a conversation topic?
there's a lot of explanations for your situation , but you seem convinced that you've found the answer
All you guys bashing gspshields2 or others like him need to absorb the above point. It is completely true. PUA/seduction and seminars are a very WESTERN phenomenon. It doesn't exist in most non-westernized countries. Online dating is also a very WESTERN idea. It is virtually non-existent in many other non-westernized countries.gspshields2 said:2) In other countries there are not oodles of dateless men like there are in America. There aren’t Pick-Up-Artist/Seduction Gurus marketing seminars and books to guys on how to pick up girls like there are in the US. Normal healthy societies don’t need that. Dating and relationships are more natural overseas, not dysfunctional and F ed up. What does that tell you? This problem is on a large scale in America, not just limited to me and a few “losers”.
It's also common sense. Those countries aren't as developed or advanced as we are, so they stick to traditional roles. My family is from the Middle East, so I know what you're talking about, and why it is that way. Americans are spoiled and shallow - with all the money, easy access, shortcuts, media, etc. This turns them into snobs. Everything is accessible; people want more and more.TillTheEndOfTime said:All you guys bashing gspshields2 or others like him need to absorb the above point. It is completely true. PUA/seduction and seminars are a very WESTERN phenomenon. It doesn't exist in most non-westernized countries. Online dating is also a very WESTERN idea. It is virtually non-existent in many other non-westernized countries.
I spoke to my cousin from the middle east about online dating in north america. She laughed. She didn't even understand what I was talking about. The concept was so foreign to her.
Speed dating. Very common in westernized countries. Virtually alien to the rest of the world.
I could go ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.....
There is a big problem in general with the western dating scene. It is not whining on anyone's part. It is fact. It is science.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Well, I'm talking about people who hate everything about the women from their area. Not necessarily in terms of being successful. I was successful in my hometown, but the women were still ****. So, if its that bad, maybe they should change areas.Iceberg said:I live in NYC, the heart of all this arrogance, promiscuity, aggressiveness and status. And to be honest, I like it. I'm doing well here.
One day, if I find myself a nice, young, educated girl, I could see myself moving to a place like North Carolina to settle down and relax. But as a single guy with a decent career path, I couldn't imagine a better place than one of these northern major cities.
I think what it all comes down to is, "are you having success where you are?" And in some situations, it can be blamed on location. But a lot of the time, it can be blamed on yourself. Like, if you're having SOME success, but not the type you want...then perhaps a change of scenery will help. If you're having zero success, then it's probably something internal that will follow you wherever you go.
Thats the price paid for modernization, westernization, freedom and democratic values. Guys love their freedom, porn, alcohol, and drugs, but when they want to get married and start a family, then they start to love middle eastern values.floydb25 said:It's also common sense. Those countries aren't as developed or advanced as we are, so they stick to traditional roles. My family is from the Middle East, so I know what you're talking about, and why it is that way. Americans are spoiled and shallow - with all the money, easy access, shortcuts, media, etc. This turns them into snobs. Everything is accessible; people want more and more.
Trump said:Thats the price paid for modernization, westernization, freedom and democratic values. Guys love their freedom, porn, alcohol, and drugs, but when they want to get married and start a family, then they start to love middle eastern values.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
This guy is killing the threadfloydb25 said:Well, I'm talking about people who hate everything about the women from their area. Not necessarily in terms of being successful. I was successful in my hometown, but the women were still ****. So, if its that bad, maybe they should change areas.
Part of me thinks they don't want to change, however. They want to prove to themselves and others that they CAN land a hot skank, or whatever. Too bad she's still going to be ****, and they're still going to be complaining about her - only from a different perspective from before.
The chase is always better than the catch; most people who act as the way guys on here describe are usually ****. But, they believe that they must be something special to not want them, act like snobby *****es, play games, etc. Yeah, no. They're usually insane and retarded. Hence, acting this way. But its more exciting and challenging to them, or something.
People in their 30s should not be acting like this, or chasing after retards - only to complain about them non-stop. Getting a life would probably help.
In your case, yeah, it works. You like it. But some of these perma-whiners need to make some serious changes - typically starting with themselves - or its never going to change. If you don't like girls who chase after *******s, for instance - stop pursuing them. It's not that hard. They're usually crazy, anyway. Why lower yourself by becoming an ******* to attract some crazy ***** - only so you can complain about her every day, and hate the fact that she's attracted to *******s? WTF?
And they say women are whiney and illogical. Get it together, fellas.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.