You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
couldn't have said it better myselfMantis Toboggan said:You might be right. But you're also a bit of a whiner, which is a byproduct of your lack of a success with women.
So I don't think that your experience with women is relative to ALL men's experience with women.
Basically, what I'm saying is I get along with North American women just fine. Some suck. Some are cool. And thats just how it is.
LiveFreeX said:Now a word about western broads here (britian, canada, america) etc etc
THey cannot get a date to save their lives... I work with a nice canadian lady who is about 200 lbs overweight, 30 y/o, tattoos front and back and complains bitterly that she cannot find a date. So she has turned *drum roll* to lesbianism... yup... tells me up and down that she is bisexual and has sex with lots of girls. Infact unless you are super model hot here you will NOT get a date with a guy. Their political correctness falls on deaf ears and many end up turning gay/fat or going home. All of this 'backpacker' nonsense lasts about a year before they are scurrying back to their holes as fast as their hoofs will carry them.
Its very entertaining and worth the price of admission... so if you are not travelling to date women, you should at least come here to see what happens to a typical western woman when she is surrounded by REGULAR RESPECTFUL eastern attitude/culture.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
floydb25 said:I wonder exactly which part of the US you guys live in. From my experience, people in the south are more friendly, polite, down to earth, less shallow, etc, compared to their northern counterparts. I'm northern, and even I can see that. The people up north were loud, rude, aggressive, promiscuous, arrogant, obsessed with status, etc. I hear the same thing from a lot of people, and most of the obnoxious people who live down here are from the north. A lot of us decent northerners are migraters, 'cause we couldn't stand it anymore. There were very few quality people up there. Down here its more traditional. Everyone seems to be married, and quite happy. Not a lot of drama or noise. Very few bad people.
Maybe changing location is a good idea, if everyone in your area is ****. I had to do it, or else it was never going to change. You can't associate with quality people if they don't exist, eh? The ratio changed from 80 to 20 when I moved - 80% ****, to 80% quality. Love it; never going back. A lot of migraters I run into say the same thing, and have similar stories and experiences to share.
I moved to SE North Carolina, by the way. Great place. Lots of nice people. But it takes a while to get used to such a drastic change - it doesn't happen overnight.
I'm definitely curious where a lot of you guys - especially the bitter ones - are located in the US. I was the same way before, when I lived up north. Lots of *****es and skanks.
The people on PoF are still garbage, though. Some decent ones on OK Cupid, but they get nabbed up quick.
They aren't supposed to be , that should give you confidence , then in turn that confidence will impress the girls , when you use it properly .gspshields2 said:I can bench over 330 pounds on Earth and no girl is ever impressed by that, no one cares, U could workout all day everyday and the girls here won't give a s**t. Sorry about my ranting and complaining, just had to vent.
gspshields2 said:1) I don’t have the dateless life abroad that I do in America. So if the problem is me, then why don’t I have the same problems overseas? Anyone who sees my Photo Collage will instantly see this: http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Collage.htm
2) In other countries there are not oodles of dateless men like there are in America. There aren’t Pick-Up-Artist/Seduction Gurus marketing seminars and books to guys on how to pick up girls like there are in the US. Normal healthy societies don’t need that. Dating and relationships are more natural overseas, not dysfunctional and F ed up. What does that tell you? This problem is on a large scale in America, not just limited to me and a few “losers”.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
I been overseas before and met a upper-middle class girl, she probably had more money than me and refused to let me pay the bill, we split it on dinner.cablecow15 said:It seems that these places you go , make it pretty obvious you have money.
could it be possible that these women are aware of this seeing as where your from is most likely a conversation topic?
there's a lot of explanations for your situation , but you seem convinced that you've found the answer
All you guys bashing gspshields2 or others like him need to absorb the above point. It is completely true. PUA/seduction and seminars are a very WESTERN phenomenon. It doesn't exist in most non-westernized countries. Online dating is also a very WESTERN idea. It is virtually non-existent in many other non-westernized countries.gspshields2 said:2) In other countries there are not oodles of dateless men like there are in America. There aren’t Pick-Up-Artist/Seduction Gurus marketing seminars and books to guys on how to pick up girls like there are in the US. Normal healthy societies don’t need that. Dating and relationships are more natural overseas, not dysfunctional and F ed up. What does that tell you? This problem is on a large scale in America, not just limited to me and a few “losers”.
It's also common sense. Those countries aren't as developed or advanced as we are, so they stick to traditional roles. My family is from the Middle East, so I know what you're talking about, and why it is that way. Americans are spoiled and shallow - with all the money, easy access, shortcuts, media, etc. This turns them into snobs. Everything is accessible; people want more and more.TillTheEndOfTime said:All you guys bashing gspshields2 or others like him need to absorb the above point. It is completely true. PUA/seduction and seminars are a very WESTERN phenomenon. It doesn't exist in most non-westernized countries. Online dating is also a very WESTERN idea. It is virtually non-existent in many other non-westernized countries.
I spoke to my cousin from the middle east about online dating in north america. She laughed. She didn't even understand what I was talking about. The concept was so foreign to her.
Speed dating. Very common in westernized countries. Virtually alien to the rest of the world.
I could go ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.....
There is a big problem in general with the western dating scene. It is not whining on anyone's part. It is fact. It is science.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Well, I'm talking about people who hate everything about the women from their area. Not necessarily in terms of being successful. I was successful in my hometown, but the women were still ****. So, if its that bad, maybe they should change areas.Iceberg said:I live in NYC, the heart of all this arrogance, promiscuity, aggressiveness and status. And to be honest, I like it. I'm doing well here.
One day, if I find myself a nice, young, educated girl, I could see myself moving to a place like North Carolina to settle down and relax. But as a single guy with a decent career path, I couldn't imagine a better place than one of these northern major cities.
I think what it all comes down to is, "are you having success where you are?" And in some situations, it can be blamed on location. But a lot of the time, it can be blamed on yourself. Like, if you're having SOME success, but not the type you want...then perhaps a change of scenery will help. If you're having zero success, then it's probably something internal that will follow you wherever you go.
Thats the price paid for modernization, westernization, freedom and democratic values. Guys love their freedom, porn, alcohol, and drugs, but when they want to get married and start a family, then they start to love middle eastern values.floydb25 said:It's also common sense. Those countries aren't as developed or advanced as we are, so they stick to traditional roles. My family is from the Middle East, so I know what you're talking about, and why it is that way. Americans are spoiled and shallow - with all the money, easy access, shortcuts, media, etc. This turns them into snobs. Everything is accessible; people want more and more.
Trump said:Thats the price paid for modernization, westernization, freedom and democratic values. Guys love their freedom, porn, alcohol, and drugs, but when they want to get married and start a family, then they start to love middle eastern values.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
This guy is killing the threadfloydb25 said:Well, I'm talking about people who hate everything about the women from their area. Not necessarily in terms of being successful. I was successful in my hometown, but the women were still ****. So, if its that bad, maybe they should change areas.
Part of me thinks they don't want to change, however. They want to prove to themselves and others that they CAN land a hot skank, or whatever. Too bad she's still going to be ****, and they're still going to be complaining about her - only from a different perspective from before.
The chase is always better than the catch; most people who act as the way guys on here describe are usually ****. But, they believe that they must be something special to not want them, act like snobby *****es, play games, etc. Yeah, no. They're usually insane and retarded. Hence, acting this way. But its more exciting and challenging to them, or something.
People in their 30s should not be acting like this, or chasing after retards - only to complain about them non-stop. Getting a life would probably help.
In your case, yeah, it works. You like it. But some of these perma-whiners need to make some serious changes - typically starting with themselves - or its never going to change. If you don't like girls who chase after *******s, for instance - stop pursuing them. It's not that hard. They're usually crazy, anyway. Why lower yourself by becoming an ******* to attract some crazy ***** - only so you can complain about her every day, and hate the fact that she's attracted to *******s? WTF?
And they say women are whiney and illogical. Get it together, fellas.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.