New study finds single women are happier than single men

[BeExcellent]

That is a super generalization and considering how many women are pushing to get married in their mid 20s, seems like you are talking about a smaller subset of women.

He has utterly no idea what he is talking about. My son and many of his peers are already married, many with young children. In youth there is more energy for pregnancy, childbirth and child rearing. Plus the body rebounds better.

The Catholic Church is seeing a resurgence in recent years, espousing values including procreation.

Young women overwhelmingly desire to pair off with young men, to build a life and family together, not men who are a generation older. I have 3 Gen Z kids. And I see their friends. Many frankly are rejecting this whole gendery bendery thing as a lie which assumes they are stupid.

And men, more than women, fear growing old alone. I do know a few older men who are happy being single & feel fulfilled in life, but women are far more emotionally autonomous than men. Men think long & hard about "growing old alone" and the vast majority go pair off when they become single through divorce or death.

I'm 57 now. This is what I observe in my peer group....and often, older single people are caregiving for elderly parents. I know two single men doing this right now, and one of my single female friends too. Having an elderly parent living in your home is a huge resonsibility and is not conducive to dating. Another single male friend of ours took care of his mother until her death, and now, although he is interested in women (he is 70), he is a painter & sculptor and is most focused on his art.

So I don't think the typical single 35 or 40 year old has persective on caregiving whether for young kids or elderly parents. And both require resources to be able to do.

 

[craider]

but women are far more emotionally autonomous than men

Agree with the rest, but this is not true. An isolated woman goes insane rather quickly. Women are just better at maintaining social circles (and relying on them) since men get stigmatized (seen as weak) for doing so.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

A bit tangetsl. But. Nevertheless somewhat relevant. And a good movie. Saw it recently on a flight.

https://mubi.com/en/films/same-old-west/trailer

 

[Gamisch]

That is a super generalization and considering how many women are pushing to get married in their mid 20s, seems like you are talking about a smaller subset of women.

Can you somehow back this up with statistics?

Because what BadBoy89 says makes sense; a ( hot) woman in her prime get so much offers that keeping her freedom is actually the best thing she can do. Arguably.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Can you somehow back this up with statistics?

Because what BadBoy89 says makes sense; a ( hot) woman in her prime get so much offers that keeping her freedom is actually the best thing she can do. Arguably.

That's simply not how women are wired socially from a biological perspective. There is no data that needs to back it up, that goes against human instinct.

Their whole lives from the time they are little girls they grow up wanting to get married and have kids and it's reinforced socially at every level, through books, shows and movies they watch and in many different ways.

We all know what happens when you try to apply logic with women. It usually doesn't go so well because we are looking at it from a male perspective and what we would want/desire.

 

[quodlibet]

That's simply not how women are wired socially from a biological perspective.

Nobody should need "proof" this is true. If women didn't have this urge, the human race would have ended a long time ago.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Nobody should need "proof" this is true. If women didn't have this urge, the human race would have ended a long time ago.

Pretty much my point.

 

[craider]

Believe it or not, hot young women want to get the best possible mate locked down so they can focus on popping out babies. Their genetic potential is limited by time, after all. 9 months for one pregnancy vs 5 min for men. That's why they're hyper-aware of their sexuality and social standing from a young age: they have to be. A girl starting at 18 can pass her genes on 10-20x as often as a girl starting at 35. Compare to men who can 100x their 20 y/o peers at 40 by virtue of being dominant, rich, charming, etc.

Hence "the wall" etc weighing heavy on their minds: genetic death looms large in the minds of women who failed to plan their lives properly.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The Catholic Church is seeing a resurgence in recent years...

Arguable https://ministrywatch.com/the-revival-myth-persists/

In any event, single studies like the one OP quotes rely on small samplings, selected by researchers who've often already made up their minds and are now seeking to confirm their pre-existing beliefs. Such "research" is thus LESS reliable than The DEA and ATF's assertion that they've ever been particularly successful at fighting crime

My suspicion, based admittedly on personal observation, which itself may be colored by my often morbid/macabre worldviwe:


Most PEOPLE(be they men or women, married, single, or all points in between) are going through life convinced that external events, in and of themselves, create the emotions they experience + Dictate their intensity of those emotions. Not surprisingly, the majority of humankind is now, always has been, and will continue to be extraordinarily miserable, once one digs beneath the masks they/we are all wearing

 

[zekko]

I find this all somewhat amusing, since my YouTube account is full of manosphere videos saying that women are crying because men aren't asking them out, and instead the men are happily living single and building corporations. Someone's not telling the truth here.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I find this all somewhat amusing, since my YouTube account is full of manosphere videos saying that women are crying because men aren't asking them out, and instead the men are happily living single and building corporations. Someone's not telling the truth here.

Researchers who've already made up their minds can dig up "proof" which APPEARS to validate beliefs they're deeply invested in, more easily than The Serbian Mafia lures runaway teens peopling The Vegas Strip into lifetime servitude at one of their many massage parlors

One study alone, especially in the social sciences, isn't worth the value of whale sh-t, not until it's alleged findings are themselves researched and backed up by outside investigators a few thousand times over


@Gamisch "Because what BadBoy89 says makes sense; a ( hot) woman in her prime get so much offers that keeping her freedom is actually the best thing she can do"

In smaller communities, folks generally marry and start producing offspring early on in life. As the planet becomes increasingly urbanized though, quite a few young women find themselves in a schizophrenic dilemma: Wanting to cut loose on one hand, while also recognizing that their biological clock is ticking on the other

 

[craider]

Researchers who've already made up their minds can dig up "proof" which APPEARS to validate beliefs they're deeply invested in

Classic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics

Hans Rosling has some cool YouTube vids going into popular statistics that underlie modern politics, and how they're basically bs when you look closely and actually understand what the humans are doing.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Classic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics

Hans Rosling has some cool YouTube vids going into popular statistics that underlie modern politics, and how they're basically bs when you look closely and actually understand what the humans are doing.

Add to that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

Let's all recall that not long ago, The Manosphere creamed it's collective underroos over a research paper that asserted: "Men Are Happier Than Women". Similarly, barely anyone dug deeper into that resesrch with questions like:

-What sort of men were interviewed in this study?

-What sort of women were interviewed?

-If the study is comparing men who make $800,000 per week and women who are sleeping behind Safeway after being kicked off of state aid, might factors aside from gender explain how joyous or dissatisfied each sampling claims to be?

-If we instead compare the wives of multi-billionaires in Beverly Hills to men addicted to meth living in shacks in the backwoods of Tenessee, isn't it not only possible, but indeed highly probable that our subsequent findings could be interpreted to mean: "Women are happier than men"

-Given all the above, aren't we essentially comparing komodo dragons to timber wolves, yet pretending that what we've documented holds any weight?

 

[zekko]

@Gamisch "Because what BadBoy89 says makes sense; a ( hot) woman in her prime get so much offers that keeping her freedom is actually the best thing she can do"

In smaller communities, folks generally marry and start producing offspring early on in life. As the planet becomes increasingly urbanized though, quite a few young women find themselves in a schizophrenic dilemma: Wanting to cut loose on one hand, while also recognizing that their biological clock is ticking on the other

I live in a relatively small community, I know of SO many young people getting married young, it just seems like the natural thing to do. I was out running errands today, and I saw a bunch of couples out and about - this when I'm constantly being told through social media that men and women aren't getting together anymore, because modern women are such witches, and modern men want nothing to do with them lol.

At my age though, I'm seeing a lot of older women living on their own (I'm talking 60+), and older men kind of running through them instead of settling down with them. If you're living comfortably in retirement, the last thing you want to do is upset your finances.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@zekko "I live in a relatively small community, I know of SO many young people getting married young, it just seems like the natural thing to do"

When a community has a deficit in entertainment, antiquated practices(marrying one day after graduating HS included)appear increasingly delectable...

Chain a fella to a radiator stark naked for a week, while a strap-on bearing Melissa McCarthy has her way with him, and by Day 7 he'll find thoughts of Lily Singh unleashing torrential wet diarrhea on his face highly arousing


@BeExcellent "No young hot beautiful woman wants to go to bed & kiss & have sex with a man who is wrinkly, has unfortunate sags and beer belly, and sun wrecked skin when they can attract a sexy Adonis"

Yeah, men age like fine wine, IF we make a conscious choice to put effort into ourselves, physically, psychologically, and intellectually. Many, of course, do otherwise and this isn't even anything new...

The majority of my pops's former colleagues and peers fried their brains with cable news/talk radio and prime time TV, never could stick to a daily exercise program, and never got further than middle management. They've all essentially been dead for decades, and aren't attractive to famished lice, much less beautiful women

For even James Brolin, there are ALWAYS 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 Jan Micheal Vincent's

 

[BeExcellent]

My experience aligns more with @zekko really. Of course I'm in his age bracket. But all my colleagues a generation younger are married (many with young children), engaged, or seriously dating. My son as well is busy being married with young kids. My girls are finishing their schooling and haven't shown enormous interest (yet) in the mating environment, although my older daughter was in a LTR from age 16 to 20. They seriously discussed getting married but he was coasting/drifting through college & she dumped him. He's still trying here & there to contact her, but she's over it. They don't party. Their idea of fun is going thrifting, camping, watching a game, studying or playing D&D. They are nerdy. Cute, but nerdy.

That's just fine with me. Sex and relationships can wait until their brain chemistry is done a bit more.

Funny enough the older types I see out socially typically buy into this idea that much younger women want them. Oh sure, some will use them for free dinners & trips, but mostly they tolerate men who are much older & think they are "all that".

No young hot beautiful woman wants to go to bed & kiss & have sex with a man who is wrinkly, has unfortunate sags and beer belly, and sun wrecked skin when they can attract a sexy Adonis. And some older men are truly sexy/attractive.....but those men are very very few. But these older "golf studs" running around here think they are all that. And some do run through older women too. I know a restaurant owner like that. He's 60 ish, charming, reasonably attractive....the other day he told my husband & I "Ok, so there's 3 women in here right now who I've seen naked recently....." we were like "You got any popcorn?" & we all just laughed. He's hilarious & good with women. I doubt he will settle down unless with someone extraordinary. And he does not want a chick who might have any chance of pregnancy. His kids are all grown Gen Zs, thank you very much.

I think after the kid thing is over & done life gets a lot more fun, only you aren't broke & you got a little life experience if you are doing it right.

 

[zekko]

When a community has a deficit in entertainment, antiquated practices(marrying one day after graduating HS included)appear increasingly delectable...

Chain a fella to a radiator stark naked for a week, while a strap-on bearing Melissa McCarthy has her way with him, and by Day 7 he'll find thoughts of Lily Singh unleashing torrential wet diarrhea on his face highly arousing

I find your comments somewhat insulting actually. I have zero desire to move to a big city, I'll take my peaceful, low crime, smaller town, thanks. If I need something in a big city, I can drive. And I can follow my interests and hobbies just fine from my smaller community. I suppose that depends on what your interests are. But I certainly find no tragedy in local girls looking for LTRs instead of wanting to ride the carousel until their piercings fall out. Actually, there are all kinds here, girl next door types, sloots, and people who marry but still screw around.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I'll take my peaceful, low crime, smaller town, thanks

I don't live in the most major of metropolitan areas myself. I'm also not blind to the potential pitfalls of such communities either. Boys getting married to and knocking up their 9th grade sweetheart may seem like Good Ol' American Fun on the surface, until one recognizes:

The satisfaction of these fellas is predicated on them not having seen or enjoyed much of the planet. This is a steep price for individuals to pay, all because a few culture warriors yearn for Leave It Beaver to become factual

 

[zekko]

The satisfaction of these fellas is predicated on them not having seen or enjoyed much of the planet. This is a steep price for individuals to pay, all because a few culture warriors yearn for Leave It Beaver to become factual

Completely disagree. You're saying no man can be happily married unless they live in naive ignorance. I think you're being too cynical here.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I find this all somewhat amusing, since my YouTube account is full of manosphere videos saying that women are crying because men aren't asking them out, and instead the men are happily living single and building corporations. Someone's not telling the truth here.

That’s when confirmation bias comes in. To be rational is to look at the evidence objectively, including evidence that challenges what you already believe.

In your case, this means being just as skeptical of the YouTube videos you watch as you are of this peer-reviewed study, instead of accepting one simply because you agree with it. Eventually, you have to examine things for yourself so you can come to your own conclusion.