"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Nei Strauss - sellout or not?
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Then, when you are in a club with music, lots going on around, what are the chances that a girl will suddenly recall a specific tactic she heard of months ago? She is probably less likely listening intently to what you say than trying to gauge you.
Besides, sarging was always a percentage game. You would still massively improve your hit rate if you used the lines verbatim than if you continued in your AFC ways.
In many ways I believe the lines do two things: hook the girl, but also give the guy who lacks some self believe the confidence to approach so that he has something to say to break the ice. The approach is what most men fail to do.
spider_007
Master Don Juan
^^^^^^^^^ya'll AFC read this again^^^^^^^^
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Why hide what we do? Self confident women love us! Just don't waste your time with insecure women who worry that you'll get tired of their BS and drop them; they're right, aren't they? Just leave those women with guys that they can control, AFCs.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
B-Lemond
Master Don Juan
^ the difference between a PUA and a DJ.
I agree with "The daddy" and The_shezzler.
This isn't going to affect what women are attratted to. An if all your game is canned tricks and rehearsed lines.... your even more of a little ***** AFC than when you started.
If you naturally attract girls (A better way to put this is you learnt what attracts women to men and applied it too yourself) then no book is gonna be in your way.
SeldomSeen
Senior Don Juan
A woman can see through and diffuse your lines, and whatever else but she cant take away or negate your confidence, sense of humor, control over your emotions, and self esteem.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
The Antichrist_Star
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Perfect...
This is absolutely the case. Every woman that I've been in involved with, especially in long term relationships know full well that I'm good with women... hell, whenever I consider writing a post I even run a few things by a few.
The moral of this story... unless the woman is insecure, yeah, you're going to have plenty of issues. But me personally... I only **** with women who know they're **** just as well as I do.
And as of now, in spite of Neil being everywhere on the planet... I've haven't had any issues.
AS
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
How did he (one man) do that?
Jukeboxhero
Senior Don Juan
First off, if this if this is your only hope of meeting women/dating/gettng Gf's/having sex, then perhaps it's time to seriously re-evaluate your game and what it means to be a DJ!
I mean C'mon, Neil Strauss has only been around so long and yet the rest of the world unknowlingly and cluessless managed to populate the planet with billions of people and keep the human race going for the past tens of thousands of years!! How they could do that without "THE GAME" is just amazing..guess that's an awful lotta people "accidently getting lucky".
Secondly, Neil's methods of approaching are pretty innocent and un-intimdating as far as I have heard. So even if women know your using his methods to "approach" and start conversations, I'm sure they still be open to it. Unless of course...EVERYONE is doing it. But then, who knows., you might actually have to adapt and just come up with your own material, which will help you stand out even more. As a matter o fact, I think it would be cool if EVERYONE started using his stuff and girls got sick of it. That would increase my odds!
Anyways, like I said, most humans have had no problem establishing relationships/having sex before the game was written and without knowing about it when it was "underground" so I seriously doubt it's going to effect people afterwards unless you 'The Game' is your religion and you can NEVER stray from using it's material or coming up with your own stuff.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
bbestar
Banned
And announces to the world the secrets of the underworkings of the base...
And who are the victims..?
The community, Dj's, PUA's of all types.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Since Neils been hitting the airwaves, I've gone out with two women after they had asked me jokingly if I was a PUA when I was flirting with them. I just told them with a wink that I had taught Neil everything that he knew.
Yeah, his book has really effected my life...
Holy god, you crybabies.
First of all, this guy was commissioned to write a book about the seduction community. He was going to write a book before any of the events transpired. His intention was to tell a story, not blow the lid off the whole scene. So what if he mentions a few of the concepts we should be working by.
You think this will affect your life in any way? You're paranoid and have a victim complex.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Bravo!
Anyone got a link?
Also. This only just crossed my mind now.
The general consensus here is that cold approaching is the way to get girls. Strauss met this girl through a social network (Courtney Love) rather then a cold approach. -Basically an irrelevant point. But interesting all the same.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.