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AJ84
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Yeah she's a teenager so unless you're trying to pair her up with a much older man.....
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
zekko
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Not sure why you would ask this question here since this forum is largely anti-commitment, and thinks that treating a woman well is the kiss of death.
wifehunter
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I would be the exception.
Off the books, marriage minded. I don't sleep around. Would treat a GOOD woman very well.
She HAS to be a real Christian, and GOLD, or I'm not interested.
No time for BS-ers, and time wasters.
Doctor Europeo
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The second one.
In her mind, getting married is a priority. So I figure that if she is going to get marry I might as well try to help her meet an awesome dude.
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AJ84
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That's very sweet. Do you know guys around her age? Or is she looking for an older guy?
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
BeExcellent
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The main thing is help her understand her value. She has high value according to what you have said. She should be able to sort for a good man without sex.
Then the man she chooses benefits from her sexual exclusivity. That has very high value.
Then the man she chooses benefits from her sexual exclusivity. That has very high value.
wifehunter
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VERY HIGH VALUE!!!
SmooveMooves
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Date her yourself.
pancakepalace
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Not such thing as high value at 19.
wifehunter
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
zekko
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Are you telling her to ride the c0ck carousel?
pancakepalace
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Doesn't matter how they are raised. A 19 year old doesn't have much in the mind. Unless she's a one in a million genius, she won't have much to say that's interesting.
For men no, for women?? Women are on average their prettiest at age 19. Every man wants a woman who is 20. 21 is their most selfish and when they usually get fat. 22 is the peak SMV for a woman. Three short years from now she'll be jaded, chunky, tattooed and over the hill, with HPV if she's not careful.
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wifehunter
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You could say the same thing about 97% of women. Most are boring and have no lives.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
pancakepalace
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I know a lot of interesting women. Cultivated, artists, who studied hard, read good books, etc... I know I won't be able to talk about kierkegaard with a 19 year old, but I can have interesting conversations with 30+. I guess it's a personal preference. I'd rather date girls with a masters of PHD than 19 year olds.
Doctor Europeo
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Yeah but I personally have find it hard to find girls with masters/phds that are easy on the eyes. Most I know, I couldn´t bang them if I got paid for it; and the other few are unavailable.
pancakepalace
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I don't. Tons of beautiful intelligent women out there.
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Not at all. People need to be happy being alone, and focus on their careers and having fun with friends and family. Too many people jump into relationships, then get too invested to leave. They eventually get pregnant, married or both. If she wants to go screw around, that is her prerogative, but there is no reason to do that.
logicallefty
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I did this years ago. Ya big time sausage fest. Women either married or 400+ lbs, but plenty of men.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.