Murks T levels (|) - Test results came back at 300

[jaymbrs]

Man yall are way too young for TRT. That's gonna mess you up down the road.

 

[jaymbrs]

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I see the gear is doing it's job with you.

 

[Deranged]

Man yall are way too young for TRT. That's gonna mess you up down the road.

What an ignorant comment. I'll reiterate what Testosterone Replacement Therapy is for: When your gonads don't produce an adequate amount of the hormone testosterone - due to many reasons including but not limited to; environmental issues, damage, bad genetics- a man can inject the hormone into his body to replace what his organ should be doing. This will provide the man a normal hormonal range, which can improve a man's well-being.

We're not talking long term mega dosing here ie. steroid cycle. We're simply talking about getting the range to where it should be. The only downside is injecting for the rest of ones life.

 

[Murk]

Everyone knows TRT is abused. No chance all of you under 40 have low T levels. And if it's legit, well sucks to be you.

Wouldn't you consider the T levels I posted to be low? There are within healthy range sure but on the low side. TRT will be a last resort if I cant achieve 500-600 by July/August.

 

[jaymbrs]

What an ignorant comment. I'll reiterate what Testosterone Replacement Therapy is for: When your gonads don't produce an adequate amount of the hormone testosterone - due to many reasons including but not limited to; environmental issues, damage, bad genetics- a man can inject the hormone into his body to replace what his organ should be doing. This will provide the man a normal hormonal range, which can improve a man's well-being.

We're not talking long term mega dosing here ie. steroid cycle. We're simply talking about getting the range to where it should be. The only downside is injecting for the rest of ones life.

The bold part is what I was referring to/ Also, everyone knows Testosterone is abused. No chance all of you under 40 have low T levels. And if it's legit, well sucks to be you.

Thanks for noticing bro. I've worked hard for it, diet, training, sleep, everything is on point since no children or (ex) wife to bother me with BS. You should get your levels checked as well, its never too late.

I was referring to your type of responses, not your appearance bro. You seem pretty aggressive.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I was referring to your type of responses, not your appearance bro. You seem pretty aggressive.

Gear + Red pill rage. Not a pretty sight…

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Gear + Red pill rage. Not a pretty sight…

Actually it's Gear + Red pill rage + No Aromatase Inhibitor.

Much of the roid rage can be attributed to out of control Estrogen levels from guys who aren't taking AI's but should be(pretty much anyone on gear that has the ability to aromatize should be on AI's--- Aromatase as an AI is also far superior to Arimidex or Letrozole. For many reasons)

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The bold part is what I was referring to/ Also, everyone knows Testosterone is abused. No chance all of you under 40 have low T levels. And if it's legit, well sucks to be you.

Anything can be abused. Alcohol, drugs, pain killers, junk food, gambling, etc. Seems like a silly argument to make to be honest. Yes, people CAN abuse it if they choose, but many more people do not abuse it and use it to give them optimal hormonal levels.

It's actually not that surprising if you know anything about the silent epidemic that nobody wants to talk about...how every generation of men have lower T levels on average since the one before them going back to the 1950s.

Many reasons for this but the main ones are highly estrogenic hormonal disruptors that are prevalent in just about everything we use these days with plastics, fertilizers and pesticides being the main culprits and pretty much impossible to avoid since they are in the food supply and water supply in ever increasing numbers as well as the air we breath every day.

Basically the male endocrine system has been under constant attack for the last 70+ years and it's only getting worse.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Which "gear"? Because if your knowledgeable enough to criticize, you should be knowledgeable enough to answer this.....

Gear would be steroids, or even some prohormones which can be as strong as some weaker steroids.

Possibly even some newer SARMS which are really pushing the limits and some might say more effective than steroids in some ways but without the decades long safety profiles that steroids have built up so people know all the risks and the side effects.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I was asking him which compounds..... He's criticizing gear for "roid rage". I figured he'd know the ins and outs to even criticize... Though since there wasn't a response, my guess is he doesn't.... He doesn't realize that it's not Testosterone that causes a shorter temper, but like you said, the elevated estrogen. Or in other cases it could be the compounds that have an affinity for the progesterone receptors such as 19-nors that can possibly interact with estrogen which may manifest in shorter tempers.... Or possibly, DHT derivative compounds that may. The question was a trick question though, as anyone that's done reserach realizes that it's very individual, and what contributes to "roid rage" (which is hyperbolic and should be called "roid grumpy-ness" or "roid slightly a$$-holeish) differs for everyone, if at all. Not Steroids=Roid Rage....

When I think of roid rage I think of D-Bol which is legendary for it or high doses of Tren. I am sure plenty of other compounds can cause it to some degree or another, even high enough doses of test in some people(due to higher baseline levels of aromatization for exogenous T versus endogenous T), but those are the two I usually think of when I hear it...not up on the newer compounds that have come out in the last 7 or 8 years tho.

 

[jaymbrs]

I just posted a meme bro, you seem pretty soft, have you checked you T levels?

I still kill it in the gym and in the bedroom so it's never crossed my mind. And judging by your other posts throwing jabs at other members, you should probably lay off the test.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Oh I'll take a shot in my azz any day, I'm just sick of needles in my veins. What are the side effects? Will I have to be on it forever?

I'm really keen on raising it myself and being a strong healthy man, I think my low T is due to my old lifestyle.

If you go on TRT yes, it's a lifetime decision. Your body will eventually stop producing T and it may not ever restart if you try to come off of it.

The biggest thing you need to ensure is to get your Hematocrit levels checked regularly. One of the main side effects in some people(including me) is something called polythecemia, or overproduction of red blood cells. If this happens, you need to donate blood or your blood will turn into sludge and you may end up having a stroke or heart attack due to blood clots/blood thickness. I tend to donate every 8-12 weeks so I don't need to worry about it. As someone who was deathly afraid of needles and used to pass out simply getting blood work done as a kid, I never thought I would do that, but I do...

The other is to ensure your estradiol levels stay in the proper range. Excessive E levels are not good and can cause blood clots and other issues, including making you an emotional mess. I am also a high aromatizer so I ensure to take 25mg of Aromasin/Exemestane every 3 days or so to keep my levels stable.

This is why all these lawsuits have come out with TRT is because people don't do these two things and have adverse events. They are preventable with understanding of the risks associated with it and the precautions taken by the individual.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You beat me to it. I also call BS going from 550 to 1200 without TRT....

I've seen one legendary Canadian(I believe) trainer of serious competitors(not bodybuilding, I think like Olympic athletes) that had a program of cycling through supplements that was supposed to massively increase T but I never tried it...Charles something or other I think ..I will post it if I can find it...

But in general, yes, that is pretty outrageous without taking T.

EDIT:
His name was Charles Poliquin...can't find the article I saw on it tho...if anyone else located it feels free to post the link.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I do it every few months after having some health issues over the summer and trying to get back to baseline which I have. You can grab home kits online and at local brick mortar stores. My juiced up bodybuilding friends check it monthly.




If you're not going the TRT route a go to a tried and true 'Test' stack is
-Tongkat Ali 10%
-Magnesium
-Vitamin D
-Zinc

And if you're really going for it these too
-cistanche
-Boron glycinate
-Horny Goat Weed

If you are going to use Tongkat Ali make sure it is Physta, which is the specific extract used in the studies done on it. This is something not often discussed enough because these are standardized extracts whereas other sources are all over the place with that...if you are wanting to take something from a study, ALWAYS use the extract they use in the study so you don't play Russia roulette with another source.

 

[Machine10033]

I am on TRT 3 years now. At first the decision stressed the hell out of me. I took my first shot and expected my hair to fall out, my estrogen to sky rocket, acne to pop out but honestly it made my life 1000 percent better.

My issue was my own creation. Two decades of constantly over training and restrictive diets. I had normal testosterone levels but sky high shbg. I was lucky.. I had no issues at all when I started... I was told to start with the testosterone solo... and if I experienced any estrogen issues or severe testicular atrophy add the estrogen medication or the hcg.

I never experienced either of them.

 

[SW15]

My last testosterone test came back in the high 700s. I liked that.

This is how I achieved a high 700s score

-No porn
-No masturbation
-At least semi regular sex depending on how my interactions are going
-Approaching when there's a need to approach
-Lifting weights
-Some cardio
-No processed ingredients in my diet on most days
-Sleep 7+ hours per night on average

 

[sangheilios]

Man, what is with some of you guys that are relatively young needing to go on TRT? @SW15 is approaching 40 and he listed some pretty healthy numbers and shockingly has a lifestyle that is conducive to overall health, including that of his testosterone levels. Maybe you guys were far too readily eager for a treatment like this and should have made some lifestyle changes instead. Once you are go on TRT you are on that for the rest of your life. This is one major reason why I would not take steroids, totally possible to have your natural hormonal production completely shut down and needing to rely on TRT for the rest of your life.

 

[sangheilios]

700 is a good number for TOTAL testosterone, but it doesn't tell you the Free Test which is the one that matters the most, that's the one available and its not binding to any protein, in which helps to mobilize fat and other benefits.

Regarding to life style changes, in my case I couldn't do more changes, have always been in the gym, doing sports, eating healthy, so it was mattered of genetics.

I also know another guy from my school athlete that his total T was around 400, after he got covid even though he was triple vaxxed, so there is no one size fits all.

@SW15 what's your Free Test? Mine was 8.7 ng/dL when I got my results back.

Chances are @SW15 doesn't have any issues. I truly believe that for some men they legitimately need TRT. With that said, I feel that many of the benefits are overly exaggerated and really just an attempt for drug companies to make money. I feel that for the vast majority of men they'd be much better off by making simple adjustments to diet, sleep, exercise and their overall bodyweight. I believe the biggest culprit of the "low t" epidemic in the developed world is a result of poor diet and sleep habits which ultimately leads to obesity. I've seen research showing that once a man's body fat goes into the overweight-obese territory, so 25%+, there are some hormonal changes that occur that are not good at all. Now, how you get here in the first place is one by eating a poor diet. Poor sleep also is a huge problem, I really shouldn't need to elaborate on this further.

There's nothing wrong with taking TRT, I just believe there are better means to address these issues that don't involve having to completely shut down your own natural hormone production. I feel men are way to eager to go the TRT route when they haven't even considered that they may have to rely on it for the remainder of their lives.

It's similar to a thread on here talking about high cholesterol. We can either go on statins or improve our diet and lifestyle.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I’m having a call on Monday about TRT. If you don’t mind I’ll throw my updates in here

 

[Murk]

If you go on TRT yes, it's a lifetime decision. Your body will eventually stop producing T and it may not ever restart if you try to come off of it.

The biggest thing you need to ensure is to get your Hematocrit levels checked regularly. One of the main side effects in some people(including me) is something called polythecemia, or overproduction of red blood cells. If this happens, you need to donate blood or your blood will turn into sludge and you may end up having a stroke or heart attack due to blood clots/blood thickness. I tend to donate every 8-12 weeks so I don't need to worry about it. As someone who was deathly afraid of needles and used to pass out simply getting blood work done as a kid, I never thought I would do that, but I do...

The other is to ensure your estradiol levels stay in the proper range. Excessive E levels are not good and can cause blood clots and other issues, including making you an emotional mess. I am also a high aromatizer so I ensure to take 25mg of Aromasin/Exemestane every 3 days or so to keep my levels stable.

This is why all these lawsuits have come out with TRT is because people don't do these two things and have adverse events. They are preventable with understanding of the risks associated with it and the precautions taken by the individual.

My blood work (aside from Testosterone) came back great and my estradiol levels are on the low end so no worries there either.