"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Modesty equals weakness?

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I only got to about the third paragraph before concluding this study was jacked up.

They had actors pretend to be either "modest" or not "modest." these weren't real people in real situations.

Also these staged "conversations" were "job interviews."

So the only conclusion you can draw from this (despite the scholarly sounding title that alludes to women's conscious perceptions of evolutionary fitness):

Is that goofballs that act weak in job interviews aren't as attractive to women.

Duh.

Since this was a job interview, I suppose you could easily exchange the word "modest" with "self confidence" and proclaim that you've discovered that women don't find men with low self confidence attractive.

Double Duh.


Brilliant find there, doc. (not the OP, but the psychologist goof who designed this groundbreaking study).
 

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The best mma fighter I know is also the quietest one.

I think part of the debate is a definition of terms. I see "modest" as being a good thing as long as you are realistic. By the same idea, it's not vain to say that you are good at something if it's true - provided you understand your own limitations and that there is always someone else who is better. "Meek" is not the same thing to me as modest.
 
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Bible_Belt said:
I think part of the debate is a definition of terms. I see "modest" as being a good thing as long as you are realistic. By the same idea, it's not vain to say that you are good at something if it's true - provided you understand your own limitations and that there is always someone else who is better. "Meek" is not the same thing to me as modest.
Good point, Bible. It's the severe cases of modesty or vanity that we should try to avoid.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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In books and movies the modesty is appreciated.

However, in real life people don't think so highly of the modest ones and the actions and words of the arrogant ones weigh more.

As a formerly modest man I can attest the above; the moment I changed my attitude to 'this is me, this is what I bring to the table and nothing less' everybody took me more seriously. The situation also helped since it was when I went to college; a change in attitude is easier when in a new environment...

Bravery, 'get off my way, I'm going for what I want' moments and rare spikes of arrogance also work wonders for creating a stronger, attractive image of yourself, while not making you seem arrogant overall.

So, to the ones preaching full time modesty I say ''f.uck off, I want to be influential, successful and to make things easier for myself.''

To sum it up, advising to be modest is very similar to advising to be nice.
 
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ChalengeGuyFan said:
In books and movies the modesty is appreciated.

However, in real life people don't think so highly of the modest ones and the actions and words of the arrogant ones weigh more.

As a formerly modest man I can attest the above; the moment I changed my attitude to 'this is me, this is what I bring to the table and nothing less' everybody took me more seriously. The situation also helped since it was when I went to college; a change in attitude is easier when in a new environment...

Bravery, 'get off my way, I'm going for what I want' moments and rare spikes of arrogance also work wonders for creating a stronger, attractive image of yourself, while not making you seem arrogant overall.

So, to the ones preaching full time modesty I say ''f.uck off, I want to be influential, successful and to make things easier for myself.''

To sum it up, advising to be modest is very similar to advising to be nice.
We obviously have different ideas of what modesty is. When I picture a modest man, I see someone who very rarely brags about himself; he lets others sing his praises. I see more self-assurance in someone who doesn't feel the need to constantly talk about how great they are.

It seems to me that you're confusing modesty with feebleness. Being modest doesn't mean that you have to be spineless; and being self-confident doesn't mean that you need to be boastful.

And if you think that being arrogant and boastful is going to win you influence and success, you're in for a rude awakening.
 

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TyTe`EyEz said:
We obviously have different ideas of what modesty is. When I picture a modest man, I see someone who very rarely brags about himself; he lets others sing his praises. I see more self-assurance in someone who doesn't feel the need to constantly talk about how great they are.

It seems to me that you're confusing modesty with feebleness. Being modest doesn't mean that you have to be spineless; and being self-confident doesn't mean that you need to be boastful.

And if you think that being arrogant and boastful is going to win you influence and success, you're in for a rude awakening.
Well said Tyte. :) The article posted, equates modesty to being metro-sexual, lack of confidence, etc...it's a biased article.

I agree with your definition of modesty. In my experiences in life, the boastful guys tend to cower and waiver when their act doesn't work.

Combine modesty, strength, conviction..and you establish command presence. Respect is earned that way.
 
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I have found that this olde saying sums up those who toot their own horn religiously at any hour of the day, it goes a little like this; "Empty Vessels often make the loudest noise". I'm in full agreement with what tyte has said.
 

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I find nothing cooler than an accomplished person who is self-effacing about his or her success. It's so rare in those my age who are coming up but the most successful older people are all about it.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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I was playing poker with a group of friends, and this one arrogant guy bluffed and got me to fold the best hand.

He threw his junk hand on the table, and arrogantly declared: 'Ha, bluffed you.'

I calmly responded: 'Pride cometh before the fall.' The girls nodded their head in agreement.

Later on in the night, in an even bigger pot, I bet on the river, he called. He proudly flipped over 2 pair triumphantly.

I discreetly showed my trips.

I repeated: 'Pride cometh before the fall.'

The girls were like 'Wow'
 

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"Speak softly and carry a big stick". ~ Theodore Roosevelt

What you are will always be louder than what you say.
 

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People like people who are genuinely modest, you can be genuinely modest but still mock-****y and confident, which girls also like.
 
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