"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

Modesty equals weakness?

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

Read more...

taiyuu_otoko

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 10, 2008
Messages
5,776
Reaction score
4,881
Location
象外
I only got to about the third paragraph before concluding this study was jacked up.

They had actors pretend to be either "modest" or not "modest." these weren't real people in real situations.

Also these staged "conversations" were "job interviews."

So the only conclusion you can draw from this (despite the scholarly sounding title that alludes to women's conscious perceptions of evolutionary fitness):

Is that goofballs that act weak in job interviews aren't as attractive to women.

Duh.

Since this was a job interview, I suppose you could easily exchange the word "modest" with "self confidence" and proclaim that you've discovered that women don't find men with low self confidence attractive.

Double Duh.


Brilliant find there, doc. (not the OP, but the psychologist goof who designed this groundbreaking study).
 

Bible_Belt

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 27, 2005
Messages
17,579
Reaction score
6,361
Age
50
Location
midwestern cow field 40
The best mma fighter I know is also the quietest one.

I think part of the debate is a definition of terms. I see "modest" as being a good thing as long as you are realistic. By the same idea, it's not vain to say that you are good at something if it's true - provided you understand your own limitations and that there is always someone else who is better. "Meek" is not the same thing to me as modest.
 
U

user43770

Guest
Bible_Belt said:
I think part of the debate is a definition of terms. I see "modest" as being a good thing as long as you are realistic. By the same idea, it's not vain to say that you are good at something if it's true - provided you understand your own limitations and that there is always someone else who is better. "Meek" is not the same thing to me as modest.
Good point, Bible. It's the severe cases of modesty or vanity that we should try to avoid.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

Read more...

ChalengeGuyFan

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 5, 2008
Messages
521
Reaction score
19
In books and movies the modesty is appreciated.

However, in real life people don't think so highly of the modest ones and the actions and words of the arrogant ones weigh more.

As a formerly modest man I can attest the above; the moment I changed my attitude to 'this is me, this is what I bring to the table and nothing less' everybody took me more seriously. The situation also helped since it was when I went to college; a change in attitude is easier when in a new environment...

Bravery, 'get off my way, I'm going for what I want' moments and rare spikes of arrogance also work wonders for creating a stronger, attractive image of yourself, while not making you seem arrogant overall.

So, to the ones preaching full time modesty I say ''f.uck off, I want to be influential, successful and to make things easier for myself.''

To sum it up, advising to be modest is very similar to advising to be nice.
 
U

user43770

Guest
ChalengeGuyFan said:
In books and movies the modesty is appreciated.

However, in real life people don't think so highly of the modest ones and the actions and words of the arrogant ones weigh more.

As a formerly modest man I can attest the above; the moment I changed my attitude to 'this is me, this is what I bring to the table and nothing less' everybody took me more seriously. The situation also helped since it was when I went to college; a change in attitude is easier when in a new environment...

Bravery, 'get off my way, I'm going for what I want' moments and rare spikes of arrogance also work wonders for creating a stronger, attractive image of yourself, while not making you seem arrogant overall.

So, to the ones preaching full time modesty I say ''f.uck off, I want to be influential, successful and to make things easier for myself.''

To sum it up, advising to be modest is very similar to advising to be nice.
We obviously have different ideas of what modesty is. When I picture a modest man, I see someone who very rarely brags about himself; he lets others sing his praises. I see more self-assurance in someone who doesn't feel the need to constantly talk about how great they are.

It seems to me that you're confusing modesty with feebleness. Being modest doesn't mean that you have to be spineless; and being self-confident doesn't mean that you need to be boastful.

And if you think that being arrogant and boastful is going to win you influence and success, you're in for a rude awakening.
 

Mr.Positive

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 13, 2007
Messages
1,855
Reaction score
99
TyTe`EyEz said:
We obviously have different ideas of what modesty is. When I picture a modest man, I see someone who very rarely brags about himself; he lets others sing his praises. I see more self-assurance in someone who doesn't feel the need to constantly talk about how great they are.

It seems to me that you're confusing modesty with feebleness. Being modest doesn't mean that you have to be spineless; and being self-confident doesn't mean that you need to be boastful.

And if you think that being arrogant and boastful is going to win you influence and success, you're in for a rude awakening.
Well said Tyte. :) The article posted, equates modesty to being metro-sexual, lack of confidence, etc...it's a biased article.

I agree with your definition of modesty. In my experiences in life, the boastful guys tend to cower and waiver when their act doesn't work.

Combine modesty, strength, conviction..and you establish command presence. Respect is earned that way.
 
P

perseverance

Guest
I have found that this olde saying sums up those who toot their own horn religiously at any hour of the day, it goes a little like this; "Empty Vessels often make the loudest noise". I'm in full agreement with what tyte has said.
 

FairShake

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 8, 2008
Messages
2,405
Reaction score
306
I find nothing cooler than an accomplished person who is self-effacing about his or her success. It's so rare in those my age who are coming up but the most successful older people are all about it.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

Trader

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 30, 2008
Messages
991
Reaction score
72
I was playing poker with a group of friends, and this one arrogant guy bluffed and got me to fold the best hand.

He threw his junk hand on the table, and arrogantly declared: 'Ha, bluffed you.'

I calmly responded: 'Pride cometh before the fall.' The girls nodded their head in agreement.

Later on in the night, in an even bigger pot, I bet on the river, he called. He proudly flipped over 2 pair triumphantly.

I discreetly showed my trips.

I repeated: 'Pride cometh before the fall.'

The girls were like 'Wow'
 

Mr. Strange

New Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2010
Messages
5
Reaction score
2
"Speak softly and carry a big stick". ~ Theodore Roosevelt

What you are will always be louder than what you say.
 

CuriousGirl

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Mar 28, 2010
Messages
338
Reaction score
9
Location
England
People like people who are genuinely modest, you can be genuinely modest but still mock-****y and confident, which girls also like.
 
Top