"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Modesty equals weakness?

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I only got to about the third paragraph before concluding this study was jacked up.

They had actors pretend to be either "modest" or not "modest." these weren't real people in real situations.

Also these staged "conversations" were "job interviews."

So the only conclusion you can draw from this (despite the scholarly sounding title that alludes to women's conscious perceptions of evolutionary fitness):

Is that goofballs that act weak in job interviews aren't as attractive to women.

Duh.

Since this was a job interview, I suppose you could easily exchange the word "modest" with "self confidence" and proclaim that you've discovered that women don't find men with low self confidence attractive.

Double Duh.


Brilliant find there, doc. (not the OP, but the psychologist goof who designed this groundbreaking study).
 

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The best mma fighter I know is also the quietest one.

I think part of the debate is a definition of terms. I see "modest" as being a good thing as long as you are realistic. By the same idea, it's not vain to say that you are good at something if it's true - provided you understand your own limitations and that there is always someone else who is better. "Meek" is not the same thing to me as modest.
 
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Bible_Belt said:
I think part of the debate is a definition of terms. I see "modest" as being a good thing as long as you are realistic. By the same idea, it's not vain to say that you are good at something if it's true - provided you understand your own limitations and that there is always someone else who is better. "Meek" is not the same thing to me as modest.
Good point, Bible. It's the severe cases of modesty or vanity that we should try to avoid.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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In books and movies the modesty is appreciated.

However, in real life people don't think so highly of the modest ones and the actions and words of the arrogant ones weigh more.

As a formerly modest man I can attest the above; the moment I changed my attitude to 'this is me, this is what I bring to the table and nothing less' everybody took me more seriously. The situation also helped since it was when I went to college; a change in attitude is easier when in a new environment...

Bravery, 'get off my way, I'm going for what I want' moments and rare spikes of arrogance also work wonders for creating a stronger, attractive image of yourself, while not making you seem arrogant overall.

So, to the ones preaching full time modesty I say ''f.uck off, I want to be influential, successful and to make things easier for myself.''

To sum it up, advising to be modest is very similar to advising to be nice.
 
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In books and movies the modesty is appreciated.

However, in real life people don't think so highly of the modest ones and the actions and words of the arrogant ones weigh more.

As a formerly modest man I can attest the above; the moment I changed my attitude to 'this is me, this is what I bring to the table and nothing less' everybody took me more seriously. The situation also helped since it was when I went to college; a change in attitude is easier when in a new environment...

Bravery, 'get off my way, I'm going for what I want' moments and rare spikes of arrogance also work wonders for creating a stronger, attractive image of yourself, while not making you seem arrogant overall.

So, to the ones preaching full time modesty I say ''f.uck off, I want to be influential, successful and to make things easier for myself.''

To sum it up, advising to be modest is very similar to advising to be nice.
We obviously have different ideas of what modesty is. When I picture a modest man, I see someone who very rarely brags about himself; he lets others sing his praises. I see more self-assurance in someone who doesn't feel the need to constantly talk about how great they are.

It seems to me that you're confusing modesty with feebleness. Being modest doesn't mean that you have to be spineless; and being self-confident doesn't mean that you need to be boastful.

And if you think that being arrogant and boastful is going to win you influence and success, you're in for a rude awakening.
 

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TyTe`EyEz said:
We obviously have different ideas of what modesty is. When I picture a modest man, I see someone who very rarely brags about himself; he lets others sing his praises. I see more self-assurance in someone who doesn't feel the need to constantly talk about how great they are.

It seems to me that you're confusing modesty with feebleness. Being modest doesn't mean that you have to be spineless; and being self-confident doesn't mean that you need to be boastful.

And if you think that being arrogant and boastful is going to win you influence and success, you're in for a rude awakening.
Well said Tyte. :) The article posted, equates modesty to being metro-sexual, lack of confidence, etc...it's a biased article.

I agree with your definition of modesty. In my experiences in life, the boastful guys tend to cower and waiver when their act doesn't work.

Combine modesty, strength, conviction..and you establish command presence. Respect is earned that way.
 
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I have found that this olde saying sums up those who toot their own horn religiously at any hour of the day, it goes a little like this; "Empty Vessels often make the loudest noise". I'm in full agreement with what tyte has said.
 

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I find nothing cooler than an accomplished person who is self-effacing about his or her success. It's so rare in those my age who are coming up but the most successful older people are all about it.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I was playing poker with a group of friends, and this one arrogant guy bluffed and got me to fold the best hand.

He threw his junk hand on the table, and arrogantly declared: 'Ha, bluffed you.'

I calmly responded: 'Pride cometh before the fall.' The girls nodded their head in agreement.

Later on in the night, in an even bigger pot, I bet on the river, he called. He proudly flipped over 2 pair triumphantly.

I discreetly showed my trips.

I repeated: 'Pride cometh before the fall.'

The girls were like 'Wow'
 

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"Speak softly and carry a big stick". ~ Theodore Roosevelt

What you are will always be louder than what you say.
 

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People like people who are genuinely modest, you can be genuinely modest but still mock-****y and confident, which girls also like.
 
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