thedude4242
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Nothing. Play it cool. Sometimes, girls are actually busy. Get into contact when she's not busy, or let her contact you. Whatever's been working so far. Has she been initiating contact often? If so, let her keep doing that and throw her a bone once in awhile.
Whatever you do, don't change the recipe!
My $0.02
Whatever you do, don't change the recipe!
My $0.02
First of all, dont leave when she wants you to stay. Secondly, if she follows you to your car, she wants a goodnight kiss. Thirdly, dont take the aloof thing too far. (At least not until you've gotten her panties down.) You could have banged her the first night at her house. Unless she's fat and ugly (if THAT even stops her) she can get dyck anytime, so while waiting a week to call her back shows her your not needy and all, its plenty of time for her to meet another dude to sack-up and rail her like she wants. Give her a challenge, not a headache.
thedude4242
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ok listen here guys. I either move too fast or too slow. I try to F them and I move to fast talking sexual stuff. move too slow and they are mad cuz I didnt F them. kind of funny how she waited until it was nightime and the kids were in bed to have me drop off the clothes. everyone has been telling me to slow it down and dont be so foward with women. I slow it down and it hurts me.
I dont want to do too little but I dont want to do too much. I think she is a respectable girl unlike some other women. I didnt want to go in too hard.
I dont want to do too little but I dont want to do too much. I think she is a respectable girl unlike some other women. I didnt want to go in too hard.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
thedude4242
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I am not saying anything against any of the info from you guys on the boards. you gave me so good info. I am talking from people that I know.
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aloof thing? you mean dont go too long without contact?
yes, among other things. learn the difference between being the prize, and expecting her to be at your beck and call. She invited you over, asked you to stay longer than you wanted to, and ironed your clothes. What more do you want?? She probably thinks you have no interest in her and are toying with her. You want to keep her guessing, not assuming you dont want her. Her iron is getting colder by the minute. If she hasn't givin up and found another dyck, you better give yours to her NOW.
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but here is the thing. when you ask a women to get together with you and she turns you down twice I am kind of hesitant and going in for a third time and messing things up. she hasnt iniated contact and I did twice. I am not trying to be pushy here. she answered back my last texts but not the last one I sent her. dont you think if she was interested should would have done something by now.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.