"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Mission: Help Luke Sywalker get laid before he turns 31!

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Finished date

I just had a date with a respectable decent virgin 22 y/o college girl that ended in a nice kiss at the end. She told me not to put my arms out to hug her, but instead came up to me and kissed me, and we did it again twice. We had an open date, I found out she's a virgin and also doesn't believe in pre-maritial sex and even rejected guys advances in the past and it's all cool.

It seems that I have hang-ups remaining on a previous girl, where I will force myself to go the gym, or eat healthy foods under the penalty of sending an email to my x-friend - whatever, the ends justify means, I'm going to the gym and have good diet, but the wierd penalty serves to keep the memory of an ex-false friend alive and well.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Luke Skywalker said:
In the beginning it was very difficult to life the weights with the set repeition, but now it's getting a bit easier. I'm workout three days per week for about a half hour to hour lifting weights. I'm lifting different weights depending on the set. Ranging from 20 lbs to 87.5 lbs.

I do the same exercise within the designated gym days and repeat them over and over again. You are right, minor results, still dont have the visible big muscles, but just a bit of strength.
Cool.

Well if you want to make better use of your time at the gym, PM me and I can send you some resources I'm using.

I've got some articles by Dr. John Berardi (the ripped nutrtritionist) and a progarm i am using from Iron Addict (he's a personal trainer for bodybuilders and whatnot.).

I'm not too big into the whole bodybuilding lifestyle myself, but I just like efficiency and getting the most bang for the buck out of my membership and the excess food I'm eating for bulking.
 
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Wilo00,

Thank you for your post. I am reading it and will look into some of the suggestions.
 
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I've decided that the girl I went out with last night is relationship material, and that there is a potential for a relationship. She's decent, virgin, Christian girl meaning that I will also remain a virgin too with the potential of marrying her down the road if it works out.

Thus for the time being, I'm really no longer interested in 'getting laid with any ho' and think I'll wait until I'm married and see where this one goes.

For details pertaining to this particular girl, a thread was started on enotalone http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171944 .

On a relationship state I'm not going to pursue any more women, stop doing approaches, have a more strict lifestyle of abstaining from any form of porn and masturbating, and only maintaining friendships with other woman on a strict pleutonic level.

Unless it's proven otherwise by the girl, I'm assuming this is a forming relationship and although I did not get laid, well, this is good enough for now.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Luke Skywalker said:
I've decided that the girl I went out with last night is relationship material, and that there is a potential for a relationship. She's decent, virgin, Christian girl meaning that I will also remain a virgin too with the potential of marrying her down the road if it works out.

Thus for the time being, I'm really no longer interested in 'getting laid with any ho' and think I'll wait until I'm married and see where this one goes.

For details pertaining to this particular girl, a thread was started on enotalone http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171944 .

On a relationship state I'm not going to pursue any more women, stop doing approaches, have a more strict lifestyle of abstaining from any form of porn and masturbating, and only maintaining friendships with other woman on a strict pleutonic level.

Unless it's proven otherwise by the girl, I'm assuming this is a forming relationship and although I did not get laid, well, this is good enough for now.
Congratulations on meeting a nice girl.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket though. You aren't married, or engaged to her. You're only dating. So continue to approach other women, and persue other relatioships. You might just find someone even better suited for you. It would also be a booster to your relationship with her, if she understood, (and believed,) that while you are attracted to her, you have other options.

I hate to be a skeptic, but at 30+ a female virgin... well, I find that hard to believe. Just keep an open mind, don't put on the bible blinders.

Good luck.
 
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Luke Skywalker said:
I was planning on asking her out for my birthday (she doesn't know it's on Wednesday).
We are going to have to change the title of this thread....." blah blah blah..before the age of "32"!!
 
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Well, I'm 31 y/o and still a virgin today, but have a girl who wants to 'give me a treat' for my birthday in the evening. She has good standards and morals so it's not likely that type of treat.

Anyway, this thread is expired unless someone makes a new one saying "Help Luke Skywalker get laid before he turns 32". I'd like to thank everyone for their help and insights.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I hate to be a skeptic, but at 30+ a female virgin... well, I find that hard to believe. Just keep an open mind, don't put on the bible blinders.

Good luck.
Who said she's 30+? She's 22 y/o. I've meet people as yonge as 18 y/o from the net.
 
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Happy Birthday Luke - I hope you find a feminine spirtually uplifting woman in your 32nd year of life so you can quit chasing these hors! I think you are "I rather just settle down with my wife" type!
 
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if we all die tomorrow, will you be happy to die a virgin and to have never experienced one of the best things in life? (sex with a woman)

you will always be Starman
 
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Happy Birthday Luke - I hope you find a feminine spirtually uplifting woman in your 32nd year of life so you can quit chasing these hors! I think you are "I rather just settle down with my wife" type!
The 22 y/o girl is not a ho, she's actually a virgin who leads a youth choir at her church. Yeah, settle down with wife type, well, I may marry her if it works out, right?
 
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if we all die tomorrow, will you be happy to die a virgin and to have never experienced one of the best things in life? (sex with a woman)

you will always be Starman
Please. Had opportunities to do that and can invent safe hypothetical sex in my mind which I often get off on in the form of masturbation and sex hypothesis. Believe me, sometimes things can get hot in the mind.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Please. Had opportunities to do that and can invent safe hypothetical sex in my mind which I often get off on in the form of masturbation and sex hypothesis. Believe me, sometimes things can get hot in the mind.
Safe hypothetical sex in your mind? The real thing is better. Alot better.

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Who said she's 30+? She's 22 y/o. I've meet people as yonge as 18 y/o from the net.
Lately I've been running on very little sleep. So my attention slipped a little there.

Still even at 18 years old, many girls are no longer virgins... one girl i fvcked in college up the a$$ every night for a month... still says that she is a virgin. Many girls will lie about it.
 
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Luke Skywalker said:
Please. Had opportunities to do that and can invent safe hypothetical sex in my mind which I often get off on in the form of masturbation and sex hypothesis. Believe me, sometimes things can get hot in the mind.

OH MY ****ING GOD

did u really just say that????

i hope you jerk off to all the attention whoring your doing on sosuave with all this bull****, no real human thinks like you, your a fraud Starman
 
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Safe hypothetical sex in your mind? The real thing is better. Alot better.
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Not from what I've heard. While I concede I never had sex to make a comparison, I can tell you that I've had some good jerk off experinces, if there is an opportunity to have sex (i.e. hookup, rent a hooker, etc....) then I'd sell the experience short and jerk off hard on it rather than actually go through with it - sort of a short circuit. If you look at it - it really makes allot of sence, no STD's, and you dont have to socialise. For example, just developing a rapport with a hot babe is enough to construct a good fantasy.
And rather than go out and spend money on hookers, I save money instead and just jerk off at their pics that they advertise with the money from other clients and that makes me jerk off even harder, knowing they have to go semi-nude to try and sell themselves to me a prospective buyer --

So, yeah, jerking off is the way to go...but it's still a porn problem. The best jerkoff was the 18 y/o single mother, I felt like I was in control, so I really enjoyed jerking off at the thought of her, but when she changed her cell number and email, then I couldn't jerk off anymore, since there is no premise to construct a fantasy string.

Maybe it is better, maybe I just have a better and deeper imagination than everyone else due to my deprivations, my cerbral mass may have somehow wired itself to compensate for it, so I can get the pleasure without going through the trouble to get it or the severe consequences. But since no game is involved in masturbating, then it can get stale I guess since there is no chase or challenge involved - but when there is, then it's more fun to jerk off at a potential conquest rather than an actual one.
 
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OH MY ****ING GOD

did u really just say that????

i hope you jerk off to all the attention whoring your doing on sosuave with all this bull****, no real human thinks like you, your a fraud Starman
Yeah, people who have trouble with the ladies think like me. Am I a fraud now really? I have an alias on enotalone, and I've established threads about myself on here where there has been genuine improvements - I dont know where you get off...sounds like your jealous or something.

Attention here means crap - I want women's attention so I can get laid. That has always seemed to be the problem since I dont really stand out like a stud that gets the girls.
 
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Luke Skywalker said:
Maybe it is better, maybe I just have a better and deeper imagination than everyone else due to my deprivations, my cerbral mass may have somehow wired itself to compensate for it, so I can get the pleasure without going through the trouble to get it or the severe consequences.

But since no game is involved in masturbating, then it can get stale I guess since there is no chase or challenge involved - but when there is, then it's more fun to jerk off at a potential conquest rather than an actual one.
Haha, this is some funny shyt!:)

Note to self: Never shake hands with Luke Skywalker! :rolleyes:
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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