I found this article just a few minutes ago. Food for thought.
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=567952006
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=567952006
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
"Men, you have 30 seconds to impress women"
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Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
Shiftkey
Master Don Juan
What's Stars In Their Eyes? Something Brittish?
WTF? We have 30 seconds to IMPRESS women? What a bullsh!t frame.
I'd say we have about 2 minutes to demonstrate that we are not your average joe... we are in fact awesome guys who understand female minds and emotions.
It has nothing to do with showboating, bragging or impressing... it's all about letting natural internalized characteristics come to the surface and do their work.
If the woman is impressed, then great. But that's not the goal. The goal is simply to be our best selves and allow ourselves the opportunity to share our greatness with others. Going along with this means keeping cool in social situations, frame dominance, comfort in one's skin, positivity, and sharing experiences from our lives
Then it's their job to impress us and show why we would want them around. Sure, she's hot. But so are tons of chicks. But what kind of girl actually has a unique outlook on life? What kind of girl is strong enough to think for herself and follow her passions?
These are truly rare qualities. These are real beliefs of mine. I am not putting on a facade to seduce. Tons of women ARE HOT. This is reality. Women with charming, unique personalities is rare.
Tao of Steve.
BE excellent. Don't "pretend" to be excellent in order to "impress" or "gain favor." This sets up a terrible frame where you always have to "do something" in order to be attractive, when in actuality, attractiveness is more about the absence of unattractive characteristics. I learned this by getting IOIs from girls when I consciously DID nothing. I just sat there with no outcome on my mind and I was just unreactive.
TD calls this "Zombie training." Because it enables you to see that girls are attracted to subtle qualities that you don't necessarily have to TRY to do. You can just be totally chill and comfortable with yourself and with the situation and talk about light topics, and girls won't be unattracted to you. If your body language, vocals, mannerisms, and other subcommunications hint that you are "cool" or "non-needy" then you don't need much else.
There's a reason so many gurus say that the opener you use doesn't matter. The only important aspect of an opener is that it keeps the girls in set long enough to observe your alpha characteristics (group dominance, loud, projecting vocals, smoothe non-nervous bodylanguage) etc...
From the article:
"However, this evidence suggests that women may make up their minds much quicker than men. It suggests men have only a few seconds to impress a woman, thus emphasising the importance of their opening comments."
WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. Total mainstream wrong-thinking. The guys who write these dating articles are CLUELESS about attraction. The actual content of the opener is of no importance other than the fact that it keeps you in set long enough so the women can observe alpha characteristics. Of course, obviously this means cater to your audience. Girls are fascinated by social dynamics and the unknown, those 2 are the most reliable openers.
But even if you give those openers to an AFC, he is still going to repeatedly get blown out very fast.
Give those openers to a natural and the natural thinks you are a GENIUS, because you have just given him an "IN" so that women can observe him.
It doesn't surprise me that the study concludes that women are "pickier" than men. Men, having a dominating instinct to REPLICATE, screen mainly for physical features. MANY WOMEN ARE HOT. Therefore most men aren't very picky. Women, having a dominating instinct for SURVIVAL, must screen much more throroughly since survival entails COMMITMENT. A man can spread his seed and move on. A woman is stuck immobolized for 9 months with a child, and then needs assistance rearing it. The investment is much greater for the woman. For this reason, women are very good at reading subcommunication. And if you are an AFC, women can tell very fast through your mannerisms, voice, etc. If you're comfortable and alpha, they can tell equally as fast.
Of course, you CAN "fake it til you make it," though this requires some acting. But the goal of "fake it til you make it" is so that your logical brain can process that "I can be attractive" and then help your subconscious internalize the good reactions you got from your new behaviors.
You can do it this way, or you can actually believe you're attractive, and your attractive beliefs will naturally allow you to assert your identity (or convey personality) in attractive ways.
You can go inside out or outside in.
The method that suits you best is most probably linked to your personality type. Take Myers Briggs. I am INTP, meaning that my SENSING function isn't well-developed. This is why routines are sh!t for me. I operate on theories and systems and grasp CONCEPTS easily, but I often miss concrete sensory details. So working on my beliefs, internally, is more productive for me.
If you had a sensory preference, then most likely routines will work great for you.
I'd say we have about 2 minutes to demonstrate that we are not your average joe... we are in fact awesome guys who understand female minds and emotions.
It has nothing to do with showboating, bragging or impressing... it's all about letting natural internalized characteristics come to the surface and do their work.
If the woman is impressed, then great. But that's not the goal. The goal is simply to be our best selves and allow ourselves the opportunity to share our greatness with others. Going along with this means keeping cool in social situations, frame dominance, comfort in one's skin, positivity, and sharing experiences from our lives
Then it's their job to impress us and show why we would want them around. Sure, she's hot. But so are tons of chicks. But what kind of girl actually has a unique outlook on life? What kind of girl is strong enough to think for herself and follow her passions?
These are truly rare qualities. These are real beliefs of mine. I am not putting on a facade to seduce. Tons of women ARE HOT. This is reality. Women with charming, unique personalities is rare.
Tao of Steve.
BE excellent. Don't "pretend" to be excellent in order to "impress" or "gain favor." This sets up a terrible frame where you always have to "do something" in order to be attractive, when in actuality, attractiveness is more about the absence of unattractive characteristics. I learned this by getting IOIs from girls when I consciously DID nothing. I just sat there with no outcome on my mind and I was just unreactive.
TD calls this "Zombie training." Because it enables you to see that girls are attracted to subtle qualities that you don't necessarily have to TRY to do. You can just be totally chill and comfortable with yourself and with the situation and talk about light topics, and girls won't be unattracted to you. If your body language, vocals, mannerisms, and other subcommunications hint that you are "cool" or "non-needy" then you don't need much else.
There's a reason so many gurus say that the opener you use doesn't matter. The only important aspect of an opener is that it keeps the girls in set long enough to observe your alpha characteristics (group dominance, loud, projecting vocals, smoothe non-nervous bodylanguage) etc...
From the article:
"However, this evidence suggests that women may make up their minds much quicker than men. It suggests men have only a few seconds to impress a woman, thus emphasising the importance of their opening comments."
WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. Total mainstream wrong-thinking. The guys who write these dating articles are CLUELESS about attraction. The actual content of the opener is of no importance other than the fact that it keeps you in set long enough so the women can observe alpha characteristics. Of course, obviously this means cater to your audience. Girls are fascinated by social dynamics and the unknown, those 2 are the most reliable openers.
But even if you give those openers to an AFC, he is still going to repeatedly get blown out very fast.
Give those openers to a natural and the natural thinks you are a GENIUS, because you have just given him an "IN" so that women can observe him.
It doesn't surprise me that the study concludes that women are "pickier" than men. Men, having a dominating instinct to REPLICATE, screen mainly for physical features. MANY WOMEN ARE HOT. Therefore most men aren't very picky. Women, having a dominating instinct for SURVIVAL, must screen much more throroughly since survival entails COMMITMENT. A man can spread his seed and move on. A woman is stuck immobolized for 9 months with a child, and then needs assistance rearing it. The investment is much greater for the woman. For this reason, women are very good at reading subcommunication. And if you are an AFC, women can tell very fast through your mannerisms, voice, etc. If you're comfortable and alpha, they can tell equally as fast.
Of course, you CAN "fake it til you make it," though this requires some acting. But the goal of "fake it til you make it" is so that your logical brain can process that "I can be attractive" and then help your subconscious internalize the good reactions you got from your new behaviors.
You can do it this way, or you can actually believe you're attractive, and your attractive beliefs will naturally allow you to assert your identity (or convey personality) in attractive ways.
You can go inside out or outside in.
The method that suits you best is most probably linked to your personality type. Take Myers Briggs. I am INTP, meaning that my SENSING function isn't well-developed. This is why routines are sh!t for me. I operate on theories and systems and grasp CONCEPTS easily, but I often miss concrete sensory details. So working on my beliefs, internally, is more productive for me.
If you had a sensory preference, then most likely routines will work great for you.
thederekeffect1
Master Don Juan
I didn't really read any of that, because of this sentence. Every dating expert since man started studying seduction techniques has agreed on this time frame. The paid experts, the "pay her to f*ck you" experts, the "Don Juan" experts... Even the female experts that give advice to men. The time frame is thirty seconds. So, instead of debating how much time you have, try figuring out what you're going to do with the time that you do have.Duke said:
Trying to "impress" a girl will mess you up everytime. By approaching a girl with that frame you've lost already because that frame assumes she has more value than you. And as we know women don't feel attraction for men with less value than them (men who aren't the "prize").
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
cant think of a user name
Master Don Juan
Clarification:thederekeffect1 said:
when Duke said it was a "bullsh*t frame", he meant FRAME as in your FRAMING of the situation, the LENS through which you operate and see the world in, NOT time frame. Thus, Duke was NOT debating about the 30 seconds, he was debating about the need for guys to THINK that they have to IMPRESS women, rather than just being their own good self and sharing it with other people (he explains it much better).
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Amen.
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Ah, well thanks for clearing that up "can't think of a user name", and I apologize for skipping over your post Duke.cant think of a user name said:
Unfortunate wording, but still accurate. Remember, framing doesn't change what you say, it just changes how it sounds. That's its power, making something bad sound good and vice versa – that’s why politicians use it so much; you don’t have to control facts when you control the frame.
Look past the frame, however, and you’ll see that no matter how you frame it, what women want and what we're told to want to become are exactly the same thing: a charismatic, dominant, sexually aggressive hunk of old-fashioned masculinity with rugged good looks, big muscles, and an even bigger paycheck. Coincidence? I don't think so.
If the woman doesn't like what she sees, she's not going to want to sex you. It's just that simple. And since the first thing she did when she walked into the room was to scan for potential mates - picking out the biggest, best looking, and most popular men to respond to in the hope of finding out how much they earn and how much of that they’re likely to spend on her - your "fate" has already been decided.
That being said, I do completely agree with the rest of what you guys are saying. If women evaluate you as a potential mate before they interact with you, then seduction can't be anything you say or do, since she'll have made up her mind long before you even notice her, much less engage her.
You’ll have to catch her eye as soon as she walks into the room and have her see something that she wants to have sex with, and you do that by being the man I described abov, having an awesome time at the center of a large group of people who are hanging on every word of your riveting stories about your exciting life.
Look past the frame, however, and you’ll see that no matter how you frame it, what women want and what we're told to want to become are exactly the same thing: a charismatic, dominant, sexually aggressive hunk of old-fashioned masculinity with rugged good looks, big muscles, and an even bigger paycheck. Coincidence? I don't think so.
If the woman doesn't like what she sees, she's not going to want to sex you. It's just that simple. And since the first thing she did when she walked into the room was to scan for potential mates - picking out the biggest, best looking, and most popular men to respond to in the hope of finding out how much they earn and how much of that they’re likely to spend on her - your "fate" has already been decided.
That being said, I do completely agree with the rest of what you guys are saying. If women evaluate you as a potential mate before they interact with you, then seduction can't be anything you say or do, since she'll have made up her mind long before you even notice her, much less engage her.
You’ll have to catch her eye as soon as she walks into the room and have her see something that she wants to have sex with, and you do that by being the man I described abov, having an awesome time at the center of a large group of people who are hanging on every word of your riveting stories about your exciting life.
