wifehunter
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Right, if you're a catch...she must catch you! Duh, beavis!!!
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Men who declare exclusivity too soon?
- Thread starter ThisNThat
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
ImTheDoubleGreatest!
Master Don Juan
It's not that. She just thinks that she can do better than you. She can still be really into you, but if she sees some other guy who she thinks is better than you, you will cease to exist.
Krueg
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I asked for exclusion once, after three months of dating. She told me she wasnt sure or isnt ready so I dumped her; Then she came crying back, I was a "Nice Guy" and took her back. Then she dumped me a couple months later..
Women are more concerned about Relationships, Marriage, Kids... So when you wait for them to ask for Exclusion, you know she is Interested.
Women are more concerned about Relationships, Marriage, Kids... So when you wait for them to ask for Exclusion, you know she is Interested.
nismo-4
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I never make the exclusive talk first. I keep my heart a good distance away. Sure, it's been years since my last LTR, but if they don't talk exclusive with me, neither will I.
Also don't move too fast, or you'll get dropped or friendzoned.
Never entertain exclusive talk unless sex has happened several times.
Also don't move too fast, or you'll get dropped or friendzoned.
Never entertain exclusive talk unless sex has happened several times.
True regarding commitments, not regarding sex. A man should have sex as soon as possible with a woman for psychological reasons.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
The first time I made love to my most recent girlfriend (versus sex) was about 10 weeks after we first had sex.
I accidentally implied I was talking about a commitment (I wasn't) and I literally saw the fear in her eyes. And lots of guys do this on the first date before ever having sex!
Five weeks later (week 15) she was the first to say "I love you" and she brought up the idea of exclusivity, saying "I love you, and I don't want to restrict you, but I don't want to think you are with other girls.." (I didn't agree to commit but neither of us has been with anyone new since).
So it goes:
1) Dating
2) Sex
3) Making Love
4) (Time)
5) She brings up commitment
6) You resist
It does NOT go:
1) On the first date he tells her she is not allowed to be with other men or else he declares her a no-good ho.
Skyline
Master Don Juan
I agree with @deesade
Obviously don't go looking for it with a girl that you barely know... Use some common sense at least.
If you're not looking for a relationship then don't bother ever bringing it up. Not all men value the same things.
But one thing that's universal is frame. I feel frame is far more important than asking a woman to be exclusive.
Obviously don't go looking for it with a girl that you barely know... Use some common sense at least.
If you're not looking for a relationship then don't bother ever bringing it up. Not all men value the same things.
But one thing that's universal is frame. I feel frame is far more important than asking a woman to be exclusive.
Roober
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Women push for relationship early, you go along with it, you are likely to get dumped. If you are just supplicating, fall head over heels for her, then presume to be the pansy beta boy along for the relationship ride, she will get bored. You do things on your terms.