"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Ricky

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One of the women i work with is one of my best friends now and she is leaving our company to move back to her home town and i am fairly sad about it. She is also married and we have bonded over stress at work, our mutual love of her hometown since i used to live there and have talked about life philosophies and joked alot.

In any event, i made the mistake of posting this in a guitar forum i read and half the guys think i am on the verge of cheating etc. Its a platonic relationship for sure and my wife knows about my friendship with her.

At the end of the day, i want to keep in touch because i enjoy talking to her. Is it really such a dangerous path to take? I feel the guitar page take is just from some unenlightened AFC types (not sure if they still use the AFC term on so suave).

We work in a small industry so she will be working with a group of people i used to work with as well when she moves to her hometown.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Platonic female friends are a no go for me. May work for some but every time I’ve tried it it’s been torture for me. More trouble than it was ever worth.
 

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The danger is that right now there is nothing wrong with it, but get in the wrong situation and it can quickly in the blink of an eye become a problem. Late night at work with only two of you in the office, the two of you at office party and each have been drinking, etc. Those "non-sexual" feelings you have can quickly turn sexual given the right (or maybe you'd say wrong) circumstances. And to be honest, your wife if she knew you were posting this here, would likely already say you were having an emotional affair.
 

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A so-called “platonic” friend is actually filling the gap of something missing in your marital relationship.

You both have developed an emotional/spiritual attachment that is very dangerous. You both are simply suppressing the actual sexual bond that exists between you.

If I were you I would let this girl go and seek to manage my relationship with my wife in order to fill in the aforementioned gap and create a stronger bond with wifey.

I’ll bet dollars to donuts that you’re absolutely obsessed about her leaving. That’s why you’re seeking advice about it here. This relationship is entirely inappropriate and as others have said, is an insult to both your spouse and her spouse.

I question why your wife is so perfectly fine with you having a female “best friend”. Either she is monumentally naive, or she has a “friend” of her own. Even if not, she certainly has an implied green light to make a new “friend”.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Atom is correct. People rarely keep friendships that don't have a sexual element to it in my own experience. I have married friends at work that are openly flirtatious with me, but I wonder how much of that has to do with the seemingly inescapable fact that people are not capable of being satisfied.
 
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This is a ticking cheat bomb that will happen sooner or later, if you don't manage it like @Atom Smasher said.
 

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She is moving so any risk is probably low of something happening even if we werent platonic.

We genuinely enjoy working together and i will miss her. I am fairly surprised to see similar responses to the other forum.

Maybe we are in an era where friendships with the opposite sex are rare. I mean this is a tinder on demand society now
 

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She is moving so any risk is probably low of something happening even if we werent platonic.

We genuinely enjoy working together and i will miss her. I am fairly surprised to see similar responses to the other forum.

Maybe we are in an era where friendships with the opposite sex are rare. I mean this is a tinder on demand society now
People don't necessarily plan to cheat, that's the thing. Ask most people and they will say they wouldn't or couldn't cheat, and in that moment, they really will mean what they say. The problem is that we humans are not rational. Their limbic brain compels them to do it when the moment arises, and then they rationalize "what I'd never do" or "what couldn't happen" afterward. That's why quarantine should be the first line of defense and management only the second.
 
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The lies men and women tell the world when they say 'platonic' but misses each other.

OP, if u identify urself as gay then I will believe you, that it's platonic.

There is no such thing as male-female platonic relationship.

And I don't believe that ur wife is okay with it unless she's also has another man.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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She is moving so any risk is probably low of something happening
Maybe we are in an era where friendships with the opposite sex are rare.
They're supposed to be rare. Male/female platonic relationships are a myth. There is always a sexual component.

Does your use of the word, "probably", tell you anything?
 

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Thanks guys. I think there is some wisdom in this. While the situation itself warrants that we are platonic and i wouldnt want to cheat, if all barriers were removed its possible the feelings could develop into more. Although honestly even from that standpoint i am probably the one that is more attached.
 

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And i also agree that the relationship may be filling in something that is missing. I love my wife and things are nice at home. I think sometimes the day to day life can impact intimacy and deep conversations.
 

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Moral stance is admirable but you ARE all fooling yourselves

Women are so sneaky about this you wouldn't have a CLUE

It's in a woman's nature to connect emotionally with males
It's in a man's nature to connect visually with females

While you are watching p0rn, they are initiating 80% divorces

They don't just up and leave, they have your replacement ready

And you had no idea
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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This is exactly what we do not want our wife to do.

The way you explain it and rationalize it sounds a little like hamster talk.

If you and your wife are in a rough patch.. and your out with this girl, and she is so sweat and understanding., and you haven't had any for a few weeks..
 

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I think OP gets it.

However this case is unique, since OP is a man as this is normally the same bullshiet women the world over tries to bullshiet their naive husband's or boyfriend's with their male bff's story.

An acquaintance of mine once proudly introduced his 'good family friend' that was actually his wife's boyfriend, unbeknownst to him but a known fact by the rest of us.

Don't be a cuck.
 

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Atom is correct. People rarely keep friendships that don't have a sexual element to it in my own experience. I have married friends at work that are openly flirtatious with me, but I wonder how much of that has to do with the seemingly inescapable fact that people are not capable of being satisfied.
Religious leaders do.
 

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I have been on The other side of this. Where I was in a committed relationship and she had boatloads of guy friends. It’s just asking for trouble. I say no opposite sec friendships for either party.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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