"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Manipulation books

ricorico

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Can anyone recommend a good book on manipulation. I am not looking for this in terms of relationships. But more for business and getting people to do what you want.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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your boss probably manipulates you. they all do. reason for that is so that you do good work, and work it hard, and do things for him for free, for little compensation. Manipulation = commanding a slave. Though unlike beating a slave with a bat to make him do things, with manipulation the other dude thinks he's free.

Manipulation is going on all over this world. Every day, every hour, every minute.

I never done it, but I'm pretty sure it's not what God intended. I'm pretty sure it's what evil is.

do it to people that deserve it man. Hot gold digging turkeys, and bosses, and government officials. People that are too stuck up in reality.
 

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:) lol

people who do manipulate rely on ethics and other codes and BS to keep the impressionable from learning these powers of mass control.


manipulation is evil, don't do it. instead I'll tell you what you need to do. do this ................


I'm laughing my ass off as I type this. Because the idea that manipulation is evil IS an opinion people that do manipulate tell you, and all you doing is repeating it lol. That's funny to me. This whole world is full of sheep, that require manipulation to maintain the balance in the herd. The sheep are told manipulation is evil, by the shepherds.

That's all I'm gonna tell you lol. :whistle:
 

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Luke!! said:
Manipulation is quite unethical. Go with persuasion. Pick up the book 48 laws of power. It gives a big insight on that whole type of world.
But, isn't persuasion a manipulation of someones thought proccess? I mean I could "persuade" you with force or "persuade you with words", either way I've manipultated your thinking.

And to those who think manipulation is evil, who taught you that? Religious leaders and figures, teachers, parents, authority figures? They're all people in power who want to keep their power and keep you subservient, a form of manipulation in itself.

But as Luke!! and KX said, read 48 Laws of Power.
 
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."

:whistle:​



None of us knows something because someone told us it is true.
None of us want to have a boat, a car, a house, just like Dave has it or better.
None of us want money, pvssy, fame, etc.



In fact, none of us has ever agreed with popular public opinion to keep our face.


None of us has ever been manipulated, lol. :crackup:




~beeaaa , beeeeaaaaah
 

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RazorAzoth said:
THE most recommended book on dealing with people. I agree.
get "How to Have Confidence and Power in Dealing with People" by Les Giblin instead. Same underlying principle (people are ego based), better clarification and details on how to apply this concept to your social life, and practically no filler. Meanwhile, almost half of Carnegie's book is drawn out stories from the 1930's
 

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ready123 said:
Meanwhile, almost half of Carnegie's book is drawn out stories from the 1930's
It does not matter.

People needs and wants haven't changed much in the past 70+ years and the rules can and still be applied today. It is a testament as to why the book is still around in circulation.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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that's why I think the other book is better. it focuses entirely on the rules, in greater detail and clarity, and doesn't use long anachronistic stories to try to hype up the reader

I own both books by the way. Carnegie's book is more popular, but conceptually, it's also a little more vague, more incomplete version of Giblin's book with a ton of fluff
 

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i'd love to read about manipulation. i read carnegie's book allready.
 
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