"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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warrior1

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Do most women who see a guy with a bunch of othe guys say 5 of them be viewed less attractive? I always heard if you are going out at night or going anywhere, you should not be with 5 buddies at the same time unless you are going to a bar or something.

I always was in a male pack about 3 years ago but i quickly left it because it was horrible. You guys get the image of 5-6 guys walking together. Most women say that is not appealing to them either which i also would agree. I am 21 now.

Do women rather see you walk by yourself rather than with 5 guys? Theres also the thing about social proof so how many people is it good to just walk with whether its going out at night or in the day. I heard 1 buddy is the best but is 2 pushing it?

I do see lot of guys together like 5-6 together and it just looks really gay. Like guys that play videos game and mama boys and cant get women.

Your thoughts on this would be great. I rarely am with more than 2 guy buddies usually at one time when going out.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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KontrollerX

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I wouldn't advise it.

Women could be intimidated and if not that you could be c0ck blocked by a jealous friend.

One other guy is alright to go along with though, its good to have a wingman sometimes.
 

warrior1

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yea i know what you mean. I usually like going out with 1 of my buddies. 2 is okay with me too. I just mean that if i was walking with 5 buddies of mine, it just makes me look like a loser. Would 2 guys be still okay? 1 seems like the best number.
 

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Well, the best option would be a mix of guys and girls.

Or maybe just you with a bunch of girls. But be careful you don't look like the gay friend.
 

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if you really care about what you look like, then yeah, 1 or 2 is probably ideal. As far as I'm concerned, though, I'll go have fun with as many friends as I feel like...Life isn't just about scoring babes when you're out.

5-6 is kind of a big group, anyway, tho. I usually prefer kinda small gatherings of friends.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Well it depends on the way you frame it in your mind. Remember its your reality. Its always the case when i would go out with 4 or 5 of my other friends we would engage very large groups of women in a 5 or 6 set.

When i would go out with 1 or 2 other guys we would usually engage a 2 or 3 set. Its not about how many you go out with, its just that the people you go out with have to be cool IMO.
 

PectoralisMajor

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The only bad thing is if the boys in the group look like geeks. If not your cool and good to go. Stop reading so much into this....

Remember, when your out with your friends, your there to have a laugh and f&ck around. DOnt go out looking for women, go out for the banter.

Women will pickup on you having fun, and when you open them up and get chatting to them its game on....

You WORRY too much about how you look - care less and play the field more my man :yes:

Oh and yea, if there's women already in your social group it will be an advantage..
 

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Unless you're gangbanging or cruising for c0ck there isn't any reason to be out with 4 plus guys.

Chicks find it intimidating when a group of guys roll up on her. Unless she happens to be Jenna Haze.

Take one wingman (two max) and hit the town up.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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WTF just because you're with a group of guys doesn't mean you have to stay with them or next to them all night. Cruise off and do your own thing and then come back to them and joke around and then do whatever you want. Of course you shouldn't all talk to 1 chick as a group just go off and do your own thing.
 

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I usually go out with a group of 5 or even 6 but at least 3 of these guys are gym rats , athletic or boxers so for sure we don't look like geeks and we have a lot of fun so why care about what some girl think.
 
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