Plinco
Master Don Juan
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I live by moral principles. Also, we would not be having this discussion if I had blinders on my perception.Plinco said
"Since then I promoted the principle of individual authority over external authority as a corollary of the principle of acting in one's own self-interest. I noticed that people acted out by other's authority impulsively and I felt both superior and the calling to teach people the principle of self-authority."
IMHO, somewhere along your journey and your striving not to be influenced by, or to submit to external authority it appears you have put blinders on yourself. You may be aware and you may be not. You fight to maintain your viewpoint, without seeing beyond it, whether you realize it or not. You are limiting yourself and your perception….
I had to really think about this. I think what you are saying is that I do not comprehend what other people are saying. What I think is going on, is that I am expected to take what people say and I am supposed to have an emotional reaction to it, and if I don’t, then I am ignoring it and have tunnel vision. I have a mind an engineer that wants to cut through the b.s. and look at the facts and uphold the moral principle of rational self-interest.….Rather than stepping OUT OF your viewpoint, expanding your perception, and REALLY considering what others here see, in your behavior and choices, it seems that you keep your blinders on and directly or indirectly, declare what is not in the limited scope of your blinders, as not so, or irrelevant, so to speak. You seem to think it has no relevance to you, as it is outside your tunnel vision. You are mistaken.
I am going to look back and carefully review what other people have said in this topic and see if I can understand something that I did not comprehend before. Maybe I missed something.
I appreciate it when people point out things that are in my blind spots. The last thing I want to do when getting from point A to point B is step on a mine. People like you are the kind of people I like to keep close to me if possible. With that said, I will walk through a minefield to get to any of my four goals, including the first one of socializing like a 20 year old.While that may keep yourself, on track with your goals and proud of yourself for not being influenced by authority, other than your own, you are failing to see the costs and pitfalls that are right around you, in your blind spots. You have tunnel vision. You are not seeing the picture as those of us, without YOUR blinders on, see it. I am not sharing this as a judgement. I am saying this to awaken you to the realization. You are moving forward with huge pot holes and sink holes next to your feet but you act as if they are not so, as long as you look forward and refuse to look down and see/acknowledge them. Or your blinders are so ingrained that you simply can't see beyond them right now.
The differences between my statements are contextual.I'll point out some of the disparity I see.
I asked you to compare statements that in my view directly contradicted each other. I expected it to be obvious to you. It wasn't. You in fact saw and justified the exact opposite of what I was hoping you would awaken to, beyond your blinders.
I asked you to compare YOUR statement of "I don't live for others." with some other things you had also written.
Plinco said:
Rejection=shame
Acceptance=pride
Plinco said:
I don't live for other people.
Consider these... Do they match???
What I see without your blinders...are statements by someone who VERY MUCH CARES what others think of him. THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS (especially 18-24 year old, popular college kids) is what is currently driving your choices, your emotions and your feelings of self worth. If one rejects you, you feel shame. Rather than their opinion, being their own, and a reflection of THEM and NOT YOU, you SEE IT AS A DETERMINANT OF YOUR VALUE. If they accept you, you feel pride. If they reject you, you feel shame. YOU have chosen to put yourself at the mercy of OTHER PEOPLE'S FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS, AS THE DECIDER OF YOUR VALUE.
My consciousness has sole authority over my mind and body, or at least that’s what I am striving for; not an easy goal! Really. That requires a level of both frustration and pain tolerance that I don’t even know yet. I just know that I’m getting there. Gaining youth is a part of that development.
I care what people think to the extent of exchanging values with that person. Of course I want there to be a relationship there, provided that the person has something that I uphold as a value. When I say that I don’t care what someone thinks, what I am really saying is that the person does not have authority over me and I am looking to another person who will help me achieve my goal.
For example, say there is a pretty 19 year old girl. I talk to her, and if I think there is a potential relationship with, I will ask her what she is doing over the weekend and ask her if she wants to play frisbee with me. She will say something like, “uhm, maybe.” I will say, “Yes or no.” etc. If she says “no” then I’m okay with it, usually I shrug my shoulders and walk away. I don’t care what she thinks at that point. I cared a little bit before I asked her otherwise I would not have asked her to begin with. I don’t feel any shame in this situation.
As far as the ‘collective’ group is concerned, I care enough not to get arrested or lose any possibility of gaining any values at all from any individual because I know that most people are weak minded and care too much of what people think in general. If given the right circumstance, I will tell an audience of people to go f* themselves, regardless of their age.
Knowing that I can achieve my values=pride
Feeling that I cannot achieving my values=shame
I am going to think about this more and see if I have a mental disorder.
Having fun with young people is congruent with my values.YOUR OWN alignment, with YOUR OWN values and actions creates CONGRUENCE within you, that creates TRUE PRIDE.
… It is chasing/seeking the approval/validation of a special target audience. 18-24 year old POPULAR KIDS. The approval of "those kids" and declaration and acceptance of you is what you seek. YOU WANT FOR THEM TO ADMIRE YOU and FOR THEM TO SEE YOU AS, "AS GOOD AS THEM," PREFERABLY ----EVEN BETTER THAN THEM. You do! [/QUOTE]
What’s wrong with that?
I get that in a weird way it feels like life and death, that there is this intense drive in you to GAIN AND RECEIVE THEIR APPROVAL AND ADMIRATION! It is undeniable. It is all over your posts directly or indirectly. Hold back the defensiveness. Be smart. Consider it. You can declare it irrelevant or not applicable, without looking at it. What you will miss is that you have given control of your self worth and your sense of satisfaction, to nameless strangers, you have never even met yet. You are on a mission to feel accepted, by strangers! I get you will feel driven to respond and argue. I am not here for that. I am not interested in that. There is no right and wrong. It's your life and you have choices. I am simply suggesting you pull off your blinders and REALLY CONSIDER THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN YOUR POWER AWAY TO STRANGERS!
I literally just had an insight when I read this. I think the term most would usually use is ‘moral center.’ I want to call it, a or the, value center.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think what you are getting at is that other people in this case have my personal moral center and dictate what is good or bad because I am trying to compensate on some level.
It’s not that it is an authority over me, but rather where the values are. Let me really think about that because you might be on to something here.
Maybe, just maybe...WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR...REALLY...IS TO TAKE YOUR OWN POWER BACK????
I think that’s what everybody wants to do. Yes, I think so.

