"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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making out: cheating?

Making out cheating?

  • Yea

    Votes: 47 95.9%
  • Na

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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Effington

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I don't see the scenario where that's not cheating, but it's obviously a less severe form than sex.
 

DoctorLW

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I don't think so. You can get up caught in the moment. How many of you would honestly turn away a girls kiss if it was coming for ya? It's a lot harder than you think. It's what you do after that.
 

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You sir, Are a jackass
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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The way I see it, cheating is anything you do that you wouldn't want your girl doing when you're not around. Pretty simple really.
 

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Yep.

Thats a guaranteed relationship killer to any man that is not a symp/AFC or a swinger.
 

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I broke up with an ex because of a make out. the make out and the lay are not that far apart in my book. the gap is just logistics and how far she lets herself buy into the other guy's reality

I also think these boundaries are things you should establish at the beginning of the relationship
 

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this girl ive been seeing, but not officially going out with... made out with a guy last night, at the same club i was at!

this morning, she texted me asking if i hated her, and said she really fvcking like me.

i really dont know what to do about this, she defo likes me but i cant handle her doing this sh!t again.

she might've had sex with the guy as well cos i saw them going into another club, and it's likely she slept over at his afterwards.

this is messed up
 

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definately not relatioship material mate

have your fun with her if you want, but dont get involed with that one i say
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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randalll said:
this girl ive been seeing, but not officially going out with... made out with a guy last night, at the same club i was at!

this morning, she texted me asking if i hated her, and said she really fvcking like me.

i really dont know what to do about this, she defo likes me but i cant handle her doing this sh!t again.

she might've had sex with the guy as well cos i saw them going into another club, and it's likely she slept over at his afterwards.

this is messed up

at the same club u wer at? she clearly doesnt respect, call her up wen u feel like it but dont make her a priority at all
 

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yeah ok, well she's comin round inabit to talk, im just gonna tell her that if she doesnt change then its the last she'll see of me

worst thing is i lost my virginity to this chick one week ago. had sex 4 times altogether and shes said she likes me quite a bit, its gonna be hard to cut her out, gonna just tell her i dont wanna see her again

she's even admitted she's a c0ck, she's been thru something really traumatic recently though, and has been drunk pretty much every night since, thats the reason she fvcks up anyway. she's a good person really
 

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Different people define cheating as different things.

To get your definition ask yourself this. What would you end a relationship for

would you break up with your gf if she
-flirted with other guys
-went out with a guy friend 1 on 1 for casual fun
- made out with another man/woman
- had sex with another man/woman
-talks to other men on the phone or online in a sexuall way
- grinding other men at a club dancing

notice I put kissing/sex with other women because some men consider it cheating even if its another womanl. I have also heard it sucks alot to have your gf leave you for a women

also think about which of those would you find acceptable to do in front of your gf. If you wouldn't do it in front of her or want her to know you're doing it then it most likely is a form of cheating.
 

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randalll said:
yeah ok, well she's comin round inabit to talk, im just gonna tell her that if she doesnt change then its the last she'll see of me

worst thing is i lost my virginity to this chick one week ago. had sex 4 times altogether and shes said she likes me quite a bit, its gonna be hard to cut her out, gonna just tell her i dont wanna see her again

she's even admitted she's a c0ck, she's been thru something really traumatic recently though, and has been drunk pretty much every night since, thats the reason she fvcks up anyway. she's a good person really

so use her for what she is, a ***** to fvck, dont dedicate any of ur luv to her, meet better girls while talking to her
 

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Come on people, seriously? Drunken makeouts are pretty common and people are split 50/50 (girls and guys) on whether or not that is cheating... not like it shows in the results of this thread.

A drunken makeout is hard to stop, and seriously I don't see the big deal with it.

If there isn't contact with ****, tits, or pvssy it isn't cheating in my book.

And for the record, my girl can hook-up with another girl as much as she wants in any way she wants and I'd have no problem with it.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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It's not sex, but it's still cheating. Any intimate or sexual physicality involving another girl (or guy if you're a girl) that you'd need to hide from your partner because they'd see it as an act of betrayal is obviously cheating. The fact that alcohol is involved is always a crappy excuse. You telling me that if you were in a relationship with a girl and found that she made out with some guy she knows from work or a guy she met at a bar that you wouldn't feel betrayed? It means she's not loyal to you.

My guess is that those who try to justify it as not cheating probably do so for their own benefit (they wanna go as far as they can with other girls when in a relationship).
 

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DoctorLW said:
Come on people, seriously? Drunken makeouts are pretty common and people are split 50/50 (girls and guys) on whether or not that is cheating... not like it shows in the results of this thread.

A drunken makeout is hard to stop, and seriously I don't see the big deal with it.

If there isn't contact with ****, tits, or pvssy it isn't cheating in my book.

And for the record, my girl can hook-up with another girl as much as she wants in any way she wants and I'd have no problem with it.
so you are cool with your girl having drunk make out sessions with guys?
 

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It woudln't bother me at all. As long as she made out with him because she could, but not because she wanted to fvck him. If that makes sense.

We all have our definition of cheating. It's pretty clear that mine isn't shared by the populace of this board - not sure how much of the real life population it represents- but that I should probably be a bit more careful moving forward.
 

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DoctorLW said:
It woudln't bother me at all. As long as she made out with him because she could, but not because she wanted to fvck him. If that makes sense.

We all have our definition of cheating. It's pretty clear that mine isn't shared by the populace of this board - not sure how much of the real life population it represents- but that I should probably be a bit more careful moving forward.
Yeah, well I'd say your attitude towards your girlfriend sticking her tongue down another guy's throat is awfully atypical and abnormal, and perhaps delusional. Who does that with people they don't have any thoughts of fvcking? "Hmm, I'm bored. Where's my PSP? Damn. Hey maybe I''ll just let that guy stick his tongue in my mouth to pass the time instead". Right...
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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